David Keohan | St. Paddy's Day Special 2023

Welcome to the platform podcast where we talk to coaches, athletes, experts, and real people to learn about their approaches to training, nutrition, mindset, and much more. I'm your host, Jordan Kunde-Wright, founder and head coach of the Twin Cities Kettlebell Club, and I'm on a mission to help others build sustainable, healthy lifestyles. Before we jump into the episode, I want to remind you that registration is live for the third annual Twin Cities Kettlebell Open on October 14th, hosted by our friends at the athlete lab in Little Canada, Minnesota. And if you missed our super early bird special, don't worry, we still have early bird pricing for only $70. Just go to our website at Twin Cities Kettlebell Club.com slash TCKB Open 2023 to register. This week, I am incredibly excited to welcome back our friend David Kellen, the Irish move athlete, and the Irish Indiana Jones, as you will discover in this episode why I am now calling him that basically from now until forever. We had so much fun talking about what he's been up to the past year, trying to resurrect the sport of stonelifting in Ireland. Crack a few Guinness's, share some laughs, have just an awesome conversation as we always do. And out of this conversation, I decided to design a new t-shirt. So there is actually a David Kellen special t-shirt that is called Whiskey on the Rocks, and it is available now in our store on the Twin Cities Kettlebell Club website. You can get it in traditional club black, all black, everything for me always. And then we have the Kelly Green variant for St. Paddy's Day. I'll probably get a Kelly Green one, to be honest, because it's St. Paddy's Day. And I got to support my boy, David Kellen, as he lifts these big ass rocks. So I really hope you enjoy the episode. It was super fun as always, and I'm incredibly grateful to David for continuing to humor me on St. Paddy's Day every year. I'm also incredibly grateful that you listened to this podcast. 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More email me at twincitieskettlebellclub at gmail.com. Now without further ado, let's step back onto the platform to talk with our friend, David Killing. All right, welcome into the special edition St. Paddy's Day podcast, the annual St. Paddy's Day podcast with none other than the Irish move athlete, Mr. David Killing. Welcome back. Jordan is going to see a man as being 12 months. I know. Before the catch. Good day, ma'am. Slancho, man. How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic. I'm doing fantastic. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. Drinking. You can tell me whether or not this is sacrilege or not because I have a suspicion that it might be, but I could be wrong. So I'm on the Guinness 0% alcohol to get off this day. So yeah, it's actually quite good, though. I have to tell you. It's actually quite good. The first time I had it, I was like, oh, it's just missing a tiny bit, just a tiny bit, right? And then by the time I got halfway through my first one, I was like, I can't even tell that this is alcohol-free. And so, you know, a 0-0's goal is probably the best. Yeah, yeah, it's actually really solid. I do have the good stuff whiskey going on the side here, but I haven't made a big thing of this. I haven't really talked about it on the podcast, but I'm basically taken the year off from Drinking. Okay. I've got a few occasions that I have planned where I'm allowing myself to consume a little bit, but I think I've picked like 12 occasions like my anniversary going on vacation, my 40th birthday. There's a few occasions throughout the year where I'm like, I'm going to allow myself to have some drinks. So, I'm not like going completely, completely dry, but I've decided that I'm going to give it a go, you know, since I didn't drink at all in January, and I think since January, I think I've had like, I want to say like five total alcoholic drinks in the first part of the year. It's been a good change for me. Like, honestly, it's been good for me. And would you have drank more before that, George? You would drink more like a weekend's as a before? It really depended. Like, it wasn't, it was one of those where it was like, you know, if I got like three, four drinks in, then sometimes it might be like, oh shit, I'm just, I'm going for like eight, nine, ten, you know, but it was more than anything. I think it was just like, I got too much into the habit of like one or two drinks multiple times a week. And it was just becoming, like, it's just like, it becomes counterproductive to your goals and it starts, you know, and I've got so much other stress going on, like in my, like, really busy with work, a lot of stuff going on. Like good, good busy and a lot of, a lot of good things, but it's like, I started just kind of looking at it. And it's like, you know, this isn't really helping me recover. It's not helping me, you know, it's not helping me in the ways that I, like, it helps in the moment because it helps me relax or de-stress or whatever. But it also means that I'm not dealing with those things, maybe in the best way, you know. And so it's like, it was just one of those things. Yeah. And then your whole next day is ruined and all that is where we're all over again. Yeah. You want to do anything, you know. I hear that. I've been pretty much the same as I love, like, I'm a big whiskey buff. So, like, what I have is, like, say, I'm a Friday or a Saturday night, I'd have like a glass. So, like, I don't want to be a glass, but a glass of whiskey and just sit down, maybe, once a minute, you'll be able to miss this. That's about as much as I'd have. I don't go out in the town anymore, so I can say I don't have a glass of whiskey, maybe once a week, twice a week, max, and then I'm quite happy with that, you know what I mean? I think that's the way to go about it. Like, if you can, if you can, if you're one of those people that can manage that and like, be in a solid with that, I think that's, I think that's great. I think what I've, what I've realized for me is it can be a bit of a slippery slope, like, because, because if I have too many bottles of whiskey open in the house, it's just, it's just super easy to, to slide into this, I'm not quite feeling that today, but I would like this one, you know, this one, this one, I know. So, do they sell, do they sell the zero point zero in, in Ireland, is that, is that a, is that a deal? Well, they do, yeah, they even have it on draft, and in some places, you know, so, like, it's grand, you know, like I said, if you're able for, I wouldn't bother, I mean, if I was able to, like, designate a driver or something, you know, you know, you know, say, I've had zero zero. So, how you been, man, how's life going, tell me what you, tell me what you've been off to. It's just been, it's been amazing here, to be honest with you, and Jordan, it's been fantastic, I remember I was talking about being able to go to a Scottish living school, I remember, I told him, I had last year, in the meantime, like I've reanimated, and on earth, an entire strength history in Ireland, you know, I brought an entire lost strength history in my country, to the four or the past two or the most, by finding Irish living schools, and Irish homes are strength, that were long forgotten, and I just don't know, I had a lot of research over the last 12 months, and I, like I said, on earth, an entire culture and the entire history that was lost. So it's been incredible, and it's been a hell of a lot of them, online presence from us, like I'm organizing festivals this year, based around these things, there's some of the distrustment of the world coming up to a festival now in, in August, and it's just after snowballing, or just from a hobby that I was just like, this would be a cool thing to do, a lot of us on the national TV, it's just amazing, I think it's time for a rebrand, man, you're the Irish move athlete, you're the kettle yoga guy, but I really think you're kind of like, you're like the Irish stone master now, like I don't know, I think we got it, we got it. It's an amazing brand for you, man. I think so, I'm going to go up a sometimes, because just in the past 12 months, it's amazing to know what you can do in 12 months, I mean, it really is, that's a really excellent class today, since it's talking to yourself, it's been amazing, what's happened, you know, I want a lot of these things, and I've thrown everything in, all the people have met along the way, and all the good things that have come out of it for like, and it's just 12 months, you know, so again, like I was told, we put your mind to something, you know, there's nothing stopping you from doing it yourself, you know, and that's what I've been doing the past 10 years, I suppose, and I've been in fitness, I've been just saying, look, there's nothing stopping you from doing it yourself, I mean, how much imagination you have or how far you want to go, it's really down to you, and you know, it's been that way for me this past 10 years, and I just feel that I've been blessed this past 10 years, you know, between kettlebell sports, like running, marathons, and then moving all the way through to this over the past couple of years, it's been an incredible second boiler of the cherry farm, you know, and from being the overweight guy I was 10 years ago, so like, just dreaming, I love it, I love it, yeah, that's like, I have a saying I've used a few times to say, you know, our limits are, we are a self drawn circle, our limits are usually created, are usually created in our mind, first and foremost, like that, there's so many more things don't get achieved because we just don't try, or because we didn't believe that we could, then things don't get achieved because we weren't capable of them, like we're capable of so much more than what we usually try, which I try, I'm myself I'm trying to combat that, you know, you're trying, you're always trying to remember like, the stories that you're telling yourself are super important, and if you, if the other mindset of I can, I can do hard things, I can do the thing, I can do whatever I put my mind to, like, your health more likely to be able to do it, then, then if you're telling yourself, well, I can't, right? It's, you know, I'm like, it's, it's something that's, I put myself forward, just as an example of that, like, because your average guy, you know, and married three kids, mortgage, work of like a 40-hour-week job, standard job, working a shop, but I've said it out, I've done some pretty awesome stuff over the past couple of years, and you know, it's just literally just being too pure, foolish, self-relief, and putting into telling you, and it's just, it's great, it's a great message, I'm gonna share that with my kids as though, if you don't go and opt out, you never have to limit yourself, even through your circumstances you're in, even if you're not in the job you wanted to be in or something, you know, you want to be in, you can still do outside of that, to still have a lot of time, I mean, your job is only eight hours a day, 24 hours a day, and, you know, you can, you can manage to do anything else you want to outside of that, you know what I mean, whether it be sport-related or whatever, music art being creative, you can do it, you know, if you just put your mind to it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, I'm, I'm curious now, when we talk last, last time, um, I'm trying to remember what you were lifting, you were, you were starting to lift some, you were starting to lift some pretty, pretty heavy stones, but what I've seen you attempting recently, you, your stone lifting has like, leveled up to a whole, like, a whole another level of intensity, like I, so, so tell, tell me a little bit of like, you know, over the past, these past 12 months, how is the progression gone just from a, like, just from a, like, the, the, the mass of the stones that you're now, that you're now attempting to lift? Yeah, I mean, like, when I was training to do, I was training to go over to Scottish stones, I think that they, they, the heaviest main on Scottish stone would be 160, but a lot of them would be in around 120, to 140 kilo range, and a year ago, I was, you know, pretty much okay at that. I, I am, anything over 140, I suppose, I was starting to struggle, so 140 was my limit, but, um, since I found like, the, the Irish lifting stones, because the Scottish stones were more like, um, tests from, like, bifold demand, but, you know, they were like, right to passage, they couldn't be massively heavy, like, you know what I mean, you're not going to get a, a young man at 16, 16 and 18, lifting anything over, like, 140 kilos, you know, it's not going to happen, so they, they were like, right to passage stones, whereas, I'm finding the Irish stones were more like, feats of strength from the strongest man in the village, you know, are in the area. So, there's some of these, like, the average, I'm coming out with all these, like, I've found 19s, there was the average is 174 kilos, you know, which is a big way to, you know what I mean, but they're talking about stone lift, I mean, it's a, it's a decent upway, the dead, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm having to do the conversion in my head and I, you're getting, you're getting up on around 400 pound, you know, yeah, 385 pounds, yeah, getting up on around, that's just the average. I mean, some of the stones, the Irish stones are way, well over 200 kilos, you know, 40, 40, 40, 50, 40, 70, you know, huge weight. So, what I've been doing is, because I know the Irish stones now, like, I found them on, like, I'm the person that they're looking for them. Now, I want to see, can I lift, you know, so my training, I have to go from training, open around 140 kilos, to now open around 180 kilos, you know, which is a, which is a big jump in a year. Yeah, but it's, yeah, what I've been doing is just, just gradually adding, you know, like using a deadlift protocol, but like doing that with stone lifting. So, like, yeah, it's them, the stones are getting bigger, you know, you're lifting, like I said, over 170 to 180 kilos now, you know, it's, it's been a, a big jump. And again, like I'm going back on Facebook post, if you said two years ago, struggling in the back lift, and a 60 or 90 kilos stone, I know you're lifting double, you know what I mean, it's, it's amazing what you can do. And I put up a poster today, like, you know, your body just adapts the stimulus, the body adapts the work, you know, so whatever I have in you, you want to put yourself in straight ways or cardio ways or whatever, your body will adapt to that, you know, you just keep that. So, that's, like, that's what I found fast, they've been looking at myself back in 10 years ago, like in the depths of head events for me, I'm out on running like this. So, you know, 74 kilos of absolute, like, 6% body for a while, you know, like, a lot of weight told like me, I know they've been like, 24 kilos, you know, 20 kilos heavier, and put like, put a lot of, a lot of bulk to the legs and try to, the hips stuff. And through your chest and shoulders, like that side by side, side by side picture, you know, that you posted on Facebook, I said you should post the side by side because I remember the picture of you being super, super lean when you're, when you were in your, your peak, like, kettlebell sport endurance training, and like, you were, you were lean and strong, and you know, all that, all that good stuff. And then, you know, and then now you're, now you're lean and bulky, right? And that side by side, like, you can't really even see your legs that much in those side by side, but you can see how much bigger you are through your chest, your shoulders, your, your arms, like, it's pretty, it's pretty incredible to see, like, just the side by side, like, oh, that's the same block, and it's just, you know, a few. I mean, it's some trainer, it's some trainer, Jordan, I mean, like, like, just to simple act, to pick an upper stone from the ground. I mean, you've, you've, you've got to go roll, you've got a deadlift, and you've got, like, a front squat, you know, to mean all in one motion, you know, and you do that for, like, reps, or do that for twin, you know, you're going to put on some, some serious timber on you, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You've got a bit of beef. Have you, have you, and it's a great phone. Have you changed how you're, how you're eating at all to support that? Like, have you, have you been intentionally eating more so that you can put on more mass? Like, how have you changed your diet? And the diet hasn't changed ahead of or not more? To be honest, which is, and because they don't want your gym kit that's forced, you really have to eat a lot because you're born enough so much in the training. You know what I mean? Whereas then I was probably born enough for whole heap because I like, I was pretty much eating the same, but I mean, now I'm not doing that the cardio has kind of come down a little bit from one of training. I mean, I'm mainly going out doing probably farting in a, so I'm good heavy lifted. I mean, even when I'm doing kettlebells, I'm like, I'm using like, farty twos and farty aids now. You know, instead of lifting two, two twenties or two twenty eights. So it's, it's, it's, it's gone more on the strength, the strength then. Yeah. You know, and the cardio has, has suffered a little bit, you know, which is unusual because I've been so fit the past 10 years. Well, and I'm, literally, I have a goal in mind this year. I want to hit that goal. The goal is to be stronger and still lift the very first one I've ever been, but you've got to finish more. There was a tell you about that one, to when I filmed an initial more oil and and the very, very first historic lifting stone film in a refact in Ireland. And that's 171 kilos. And that's, that's, that's my goal for the years to go, to go lift that. And so once I get that, I, I'm going to start back to you in a little bit more kettlebell sport. I think, and even if it's like the AKMF games, like the more strength based off, because I'd like to get back to you in a little bit more fit again, you know, but I think that the, I need to put on mass. We could get big and strong to go lift this thing because it's not not a guy's in the world. Lift can lift 171 kilos stone off the ground. You want to, because you can imagine, you think about even like, I was looking at the arenas that are like, they're lifting 180 six kilos stone, you know what I mean? And that's the sort of strong men in the world. You know, that is the strong side of the world. Yeah. That's what they are lifting. You know, I'm like, here, you know, like 15 kilos away from that. You know, so you're at that level. Yeah. They're lifting Atlas stones, which are perfectly round and kind of designed to be able to be bare hugged, right? I mean, they're still. Yeah. There's no joke. I mean, that's still a huge feat of strength, but they're at least like uniformly distributed. And it, you know, whereas a natural stone, it's not uniformly distributed. Exactly. It's the big ass bowler. You know, so, so yeah, that's that's my plan. So I mean, they said the training has ramped up. The strength workers ramped up. But I'm really a joiner. You know, I mean, it's such a basic movement. It's such a, you know, it's probably a part of our DNA, you know, like, man, pick up rock. There is something. There is something like visceral. Like when you, when you bring it, pick up a, a, a naturally heavy object in its natural environment, you just like, er, like, you can get that kind of like, it's a personal response. Oh, but I mean, the one I filmed in it is more jargon. It's just the story of the one. I mean, everything about it. It's like, it's like a movie thing, you know, I mean, I, I heard stuff that there's a guy called Lee Muffinard. He's a lawyer's lawyer. Like he's a, he's a well-known lawyer's lawyer. He's very renowned for his short stories. And he wrote a story called the stone, you know, which I thought was just a piece of fiction. But like, I know the story. Well, it's about like an old man. I say a man in his 60s, he's kind of lamenting his originality and view and strength. And he's talking about the stone that he used to lift on the island, you know, and he got great self-status. He got great respect for lifting this. And I said, like, from Tony Mimabori, this stone was lifted and I was a writer passage our strength is for that kind of youth of the village. I'm like, I'm Tony Mimabori, like you're talking, you're not talking today or yesterday, you're talking this goes way back. And some of this incredible island's just off the coast of Galway. And so I think that's a lovely story. But then I found out that from the research that this stone actually exists, it's an actual thing, you know, this wasn't fiction. This was him like raising almost like a documentary piece of the stone. And I was like, shit, I'm going to go find that, you know, so like a lot of research happened. And I was talking to a couple of volunteers and they said, yeah, it's down in this little pathway, down in the year. And so I was like, right, I'm going to go see, I'm going to go find that. So myself and the land's been off on like a really bad day, weathering off across the Atlantic sea. Like, you know what I mean? And now I was over to this island. We get to this place and we walked in and we find this, like, it was called a rose pink gold or in the story. And a large granite gold, with a glacier or attic. And like the arenoids just like gray stone. All this is gray, all this is just stone. There's no grass. It's just gray rock everywhere. So it's like, you know, the moon is incredible. And then in the middle of all of that was just a big rose pink gold. We found it. I was like, I was talking to an islander and it's like, yeah, that's the least thing that's the name of Larry DeWoodle. I was like, that's literally like Irish culture and like art and fiction and everything kind of coming into reality. You know, I was like, I can't believe it. That's the first Irish stone found, you know. And because it was just so awesome, it was like, we have to do so with it. We have to kind of maybe organize some kind of a strength day or something around this. And all of a sudden, like I heard there's like, there's an athletic festival, which is like, they celebrate the off-large man because they lived on it and it's more. They celebrate their lives work and the lands who organize that festival. Like, look, this isn't great. Well, look, we want you to come over and get involved. We want you to read the story down by the stone of the stone, the stone story. We're going to get the news and found. We're getting Irish national TV involved. Can you get a couple of stone letters? Yes, I know. If I take some Jacob Finnerty from a USA and he's coming over to lift it. And a lot of us are missing a huge momentum. It's just that they're kind of taking on life with someone. Some are an eminent strength historians and sociologists are coming over to this thing and you don't think, okay, I better fuck you. Yeah, so is this when the attempt is during the off-large festival? This is going to be on TV. This is going to be wound for the ages. That's awesome. Are you going to live stream it on YouTube and stuff as well? It's just going to be like I said, I'll record it. I'll bring our YouTube. We're going to have a video on before we're going to make a documentary of it. And, um, yes, with a precious answer. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's amazing. That was the fourth stuff. All the rest of the stone then over the year, you know? Yeah, so how many Irish lifting stones are there on the on the islands? No. On the islands off, on the islands themselves, I found this whole culture. That's the main on the islands. You used to go around in their boats and see on a Sunday, you know, because there wasn't nothing like this. There was no internet, there was no nothing. What else was there to do? Why are you going to do? I want to mean question around look at each other, you know? So the kind of Sunday is to go off around these islands and every island has someone lifting stone. And they used to go around and see the challenge. Like, main do. You know what I mean? I bet you're the strongest man on this island. It's going to be the strongest man on that island, you know? And in the morning, go down and there'll be a bit of two and four, a bit of panther. And I'm have to find in the Gandai islands already a bit like in his torque and his buff and his man in his morning. Yes, six, six on the islands down on the west coast of Ireland. Just just there's more than on each of these islands. Like, just there's probably about 25 islands inhabited off the coast. So I'll be the six in them and I'm sure there's going to be one on all the rest of it as well, you know? So and all of them are all grandish, old or ceramics because they're stone over there. It's like, oh, you know, but then all these granite borders of Trapoi islands got a million year ago and they were the stones because they still they were the stone that they lived and they arranged like I'm going to finish more 171. Huge, you know, the one on the island beside that I've got an inch man, 165, you know, doing on only five in a couple weeks to an inch torque, 207. You know what I mean? Just massive, you know, and you wonder like these men, you know, I mean, they didn't have any strength, right? There was no such thing as a gym, you know, well, 50 years ago, 60 years ago, maybe more, you know, I heard a head where these men lived in these stones, but like, I was told out of podcasts, but this is like, these men, these men, they were work, all day, they were work all day. I mean, you think we go to the gym, like for two hours, maybe three, four times a week. These guys were just out in the fields, just cotton hay, digging the ground. They were in a fashion, they were pulling robots out of the ocean, building walls. I mean, they were strong, they were really like farm strong men. That's what I was just going to say. I grew up in a farm community in a, you know, a little in the Midwestern part of the United States and it was like a small community, like we're talking like, you know, it was like you would have you'd have five or six little towns that fed into one high school because there was no town that was big enough to make its own high school, so like all the little farm communities around there. And like during two days for American football, like there were, there were kids that like, oh coach, I can't be there for the afternoon practice because I got to go help my dad with the harvest, right? Because it's because it's fall, you know, so like, like I grew up in that kind of community. And I remember like when I was, when I was kind of at my at my functional strongest was when I was bailing hay in the summers. And so I'd bail, I'd bail hay for four, five, six, seven hours. And then I would, I would go to, I would go to football practice. I would go to whatever, right? And like you get, like you said, you just get farmer strung because you're like, and it's functional. It's very functional because you gotta be able to grip shit. You gotta be able to pick up things that are awkward. You gotta be able to throw things over your shoulder or whatever it takes. You gotta help lift a tractor. So you can, you know, get the jack under there and change out of wheel or something, right? Like all sorts of shit, you know, so like, the idea of actually like going to a gym and training that you're like, the anxious would laugh at us, right? They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? Like, like I lift it all day, like you, you have to go somewhere special to, to, to lift things. Exactly. You don't, because you don't need, I mean, you're doing that all day. You're just the last thing you need to do. You know what I mean, it is go through the gym because you're just working your tits off all day. You know what I mean? You're as strong as you can possibly be. So yeah, so I mean, I just think it's awesome because we connected with our ancient past, you know, it's, I just remember talking about this in the last podcast where when I was over in Scotland with that defeat and storm, we connected with my mythological past, you know, and that was wonderful, but now I'm actually connected with my own country's past, you know, which is, it's just something special, you know, it's, it's, it's a huge honor, I suppose, to be part of it, you know, because like all these stories were just there and all these, these stones were just laying dormant in these fields and graveyards and you're kind of bringing them back to the public eye and you're kind of saying, look, that's for the generations to come there, there, and other maps, their names, their weight, and you know, get in contact, which are your ancient ancestors. Go live them, pick them up. Go in, I mean, you're a strong man in the gym. Go down and pick one or two. Have you found any records of like, you know, like, David lifted this stone and, you know, like, are there, are there records like that for any of these stones? It's a great tale. So what it is is, and back in 1936, 1937 and 1938, the Irish schools push, what they call it, folklore, they put folklore on their school curriculum for three years, right? So like, like, doing English maps, they said folklore is under curriculum. So like kids, kids, say you're going to 11, 12 years old, or talk, go back, ask your man and dad, your grandparents, who live in the area, ask them about like their local heroes are about like, who is the best at doing this? You know, the best musician, or a platic, you don't know what I mean, whatever, any local tradition you can think of. Now, one of the branches that gave us was local heroes, right? So the local heroes could be like, say a man who was the strongest man in the area, picked up a stone or could be like, the man who could like, cause like an acre of hay with a slash, working a day, you know, this kind of thing, I don't know if it's remember, but a lot of them were about stone lifting. So all these records were then taken back up to Dublin and collated, I know there would be digitized, I know it's around a website called Dukeist, TVC, HHS, and that has all the folklore from every school in Ireland, like everywhere, all around Ireland at this three years, and all these stories, and then digitized on that website. So what I do was, I just, you know, the Irish government basically just turned students into their like research, their own little research network. Yeah, they're your little bastards. Tell us the history of our country, of your area, you know, so in the area every school had their own folklore traditions, you know, every single one of them, the whole thing, you think, like, thousands and thousands and thousands of these stories. So like, I actually went up to the National Folklow Collection, which is then UCD University College of Dublin, and just before Christmas, I was invited up, cause that's what got on my story. So I went back to the source, and it's like walking into a library, I mean, just rooms and rooms and rooms of the original manuscripts, handwritten pens of my kids, you know, I mean, that like, such a such a guy, let's say, Paddy Langen lifted a large stone in a graveyard in Clanfad, up in County Westmean, and he picked up this stone and walked it from one area to another, and I said, he would, a man would come to himself, a good man is the name of him, a man would come to the good man if he could repeat this speech, right? The stone is 190 kilos, okay? This guy took it from his house to a graveyard, was probably about 400 yards, and it was like, I mean, the host of that stone that he was using, the world's strongest, is 1806, and they walked that distance, and like, this guy just picked it up, picked up this stone, which is heavier, and just took the first throw, so it's from me, he's going, he's worried, you know, it's amazing, but all of these stories are all there, they're all there, so what I've been doing is just scrolling through hundreds, and hundreds and tells us and tells us about manuscripts, and every now and again, you'll find someone on Stone Lift, and then you'll have to go to research, which is awesome, cause like you feel like talking in Indiana Jones, you know what you can find, you've found an area, it was like the graveyard, this year, some of the graveyards are so old, they're not even young, you know, some of the graveyards are 150 years old, like you know, 200 years old, you know, I went to a graveyard over an English man, the church was built in the year 1200, you know what I mean, the graveyard was so old, the graveyard was so old, it wasn't even an instant, it was just flat, flat stones, you know, so I mean graveyards, like 800, like 800 years old, you know, and they've been lifting these stones since then, that's trying to strengthen, and so like, and every single one of these and has their own background, has their own history, has their own story, and they have, like you saw in the middle of the book, it was just awesome, you know, it's just great, it's like I said, it's, it's, you feel like half Indiana Jones, half a story, you know, and part strong man, it's just just the great best year ever, that's, that sounds amazing man, that really, I mean, it's such, it's such an amazing thing, when I think it, like it blows my mind, when I think about the fact that like the country I live in is a third as old as some of the stones that we're talking about, right, or, or even less than that, really, like, you know, we're this, you know, 200 plus year old country, and they're, you know, you're talking about finding artifacts from Ireland that go back, like literally thousands of years, some of them, you know, like that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's humbling an honor to be, to be a part of it, it's, it's some of these things, I mean, these graveyards are ancient, so they're ancient, they're so old, they're not even maps, they're not even young, Google maps, so then you're, you're hoping like, like a local lawyer, it is, I don't know, so how, so how do you go about finding these, these locate, like it, is it, you're just, you're just like pardon me while I wander about in your woods for a while, pretty much, don't, you know, I've seen an area, right, so let's say it's seen an area, it's sort of a parish or a townland or whatever, so then like a lot of times, I just gone to the townland, you know, and just started knocking on doors, I'm meeting people down the road, you know, asking questions, and don't think about other people when we could fuck us, okay, we, we get those, everybody wants to know what to do, you know, and another thing by the way, everybody knows fucking everybody is, you know what I'm saying, so like I was over in in his talk earlier, and he was like, oh, you're the fella, that was over on the island, I heard about you, and that's what it's all about, everybody knows everybody, I was in a relationship, that's start making it easier, though, like, like, oh, it is, so like, one of the sudden is like, oh, I don't know how to write that, but then, shortened, wouldn't patty know, should we go down patty's down the road down there in that house, didn't go down to the house to say, Jimmy sent me down, and I'm looking for our, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's all here on the road, and so are he no a fella who knows the fella, I don't know the sudden, you're finding this place that you would have never ever found, because they're like, they're well after beaten tracks, and I'm like, you're walking through fields, I don't know the sudden, you become across this ancient, ancient graveyard, like with old, ruined chapels, and then just down by the wall, then like, there's this lifting, someone that's been sitting there for 150 years, you know, untouched, hasn't been picked up since like the year 1850, you know what I mean, you're the first person to belay hands-ups, and attempt to lift up, so in that matter of time, yeah, it's just fantastic. So how many, how many stones have you, I won't say, like, have you reclaimed, right, or rediscovered, right? Yeah, like how many have you discovered? So far, it's, it's 19, so far, which is a lot, you know what, it's a lot considered as known this time last year, you know what, I found a very, very first one, the story I told I managed more exactly 12 months ago, so when I was 12 months, I tried months, I found 19, but doing something just grabs all of you, you know, like every free day, I'm off in the car, you know, like my, my, my, I'm off every second, she was near work, so like my wife is in work. Yeah, I was off looking for stones again. At least like kids at school, like wife is in work, so like I got a whole free day, so I'm off in the camera, I lead the house here at six, and an orange but orange is tiny, you know what I mean, you can get anywhere and are in the drive home the same day, so like a lot of times it could be like two hours away, you know, maybe three hours away, so you're driving three hours, you're having a route around maybe four and a half, and then you're finding it and getting it left and coming back and you're home and all by lunch, you know, you know, so it's, it's awesome. And the ones that are obviously harder to get to are to get the oil in once because they think a bit of plan because, you know, you have to get a ferry and you have to do all that kind of stuff, but even still, they're still willing to do it. I mean, I went after a new bathroom and say, I'm going to water, which stayed down here in Ireland, right, and a new bathroom and it's off the cold stop here, so it's a fair distance, you know, from this part of the country, to this part of the country. You're getting to know your home mate pretty well. Yeah, so you're still, it's only, it's only like a five hour drive, you know, five hours have gone the whole way to the country, gone off in a ferry, met the local, found a stone, I was home and all the same day, you know, so it's, it's well, it's well, it's well, it's well. So yeah, 19 found so far and which is a lot, I mean, that's, that's, that's a good stone to offer anybody to come over. And there's guys know, like, I'm getting contacted that they know almost daily, you know, from guys who are into this, you know, guys who will, like, lift the stones in Iceland with the stone that's garland, this, this, this, then some of the best guys in the world are American, actually, a Sean or a crack and a noise to it. And then they're both coming over in the summer to do, to do a stone tour. And it's just people just ringing their wallet and looking over to come and meet you. It's kind of stuff, you know, so it's, it's awesome. It's, it's taken on a life of its own. It was down to self-generated, like it took 12 months of me just as a hobby during this, but no, one of the sudden started to move by itself, like, you know, the borders rolled down the hill, and forget about horn and times people are starting to get contact with you. They want to meet you, they want to say tanks or they want to come lift the stones and all of a sudden this whole culture's coming back and it's, it's kind of hobbling to think like this, but hopefully echo through the ages, you know what I mean? And, in a hundred years time, please, God, there's CBP, lift, and these stones. Keto Bell, Dranga, Happy New Year. I hope that 2023 brings you much happiness, riches, honor, and glory. You can find all of these by signing up for the 2023 Twin Cities Keto Bell Club Open. Registration is available now at Twin Cities Keto Bell Club dot com slash TC KB Open 2023. Registered today, we will be back at the Athlete Lab in Little Canada, Minnesota on Sunday, October 14th and accepting video submissions for online competitors. They will again be raffle prizes for all registered competitors in the opportunity to win cash prizes for the top performances in the competition. 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And that would be need go down to either the graveyard where there was a large lifting stone that then the men would go lift after a mass, you know, just again, place the beds and have a little bit of crack, or it was the nearest cross. You've been sitting in mass for 90 minutes. He got some, he got some, you know, especially like, say, at a funeral, where people make these one or another powers which you wait to see before, maybe to make strong man from up their own. You want to see your beard, you know, and there are to be at the local crossroads they used to go down and strike through stone, throwing, like, it was like, like, sharp, sharp. Yeah, that's where it's happening. Yeah, are putting the stone used to be at a crossroads, are lifting every stone. And that was like, at a crossroads in pretty much every village, like, I can imagine there's hundreds of these, hundreds of these out there, you know, and I mean, what I think is amazing is like, over in Scotland, I was talking to him, I got a guy called Jamie Garry in order, who knew Peter Mount, he found all the Scottish 50 stones. As he said, like, back in 2012, he said, in 2012, there was only two Scottish 50 stones. There was the inverse stone and the dini stones and that was it. That was all that was known. And that was really 10 years, there was only two. And he said, Peter Mount then had asked a question. And he found an order of 30, you know, from research, sort of, there was two 10 years ago, Peter Mount had found 30, that's 32, and he said, there was no known as the start of last year. I know I found 19 in a year, I'm like, I think this is just going to keep going. I mean, I can see 50, 60, maybe even more, you know, and what I love about the fact that I'm going to be on next to TV is the people who watch this program, it's called Nationwide, the people who watch it are generally older people, you know, people in their 60s and up. But I'd imagine they'd have a few stories to say. So when you get on TV, and you become like, like you said, the stone going, you know, you hope that people would then get in contact and say, oh, yeah, I talk about it now, but it just won't hear or just won't hear, just going to take it. You know, so we're going to get you a gray stepson so you can start where your Indiana Jones had as you go on these expeditions, man. What's been the hardest stone for you to find or honor, right? Because I imagine some of these have to be like, if they haven't been lifted, for years, like they've got to be overgrown and like some of them are hidden or covered with overgrowth. So like, what's been the biggest pain in the ass to actually like be able to get it to where you can get it out of the earth? The best point was when I was a story about what's called the flags of Dan, it's the name of it, right? The flags, like a flag stone, the flags of Dan, and Dan is wondering if they're shaped, are they shaped kind of like a flag stone? Like the shape of the front of us, you know, like a flag stone, but there's all these amazing stories about the flags that end some supernatural stories, mythical stories that, you know, if you turn them over and poke the name of the devil, you could course your neighbors, you know, all this kind of way. I haven't been an eye to being neighbors in the oil, but at least I know that they're a lot of them. That's an option. That's an option. I'm going to force you, you know, and I'm weak, but I know where the focus stone is. Better be nice today, you bet. So the flags is end of all these cool stories. What are they? The men in the parish at few ones, because this was in the graveyard, and then there used to be, you could lift this large flag stone, and there was a great story that one man picked up this stone, put it on his back, walked at a pub, which is about a hundred years on the road. It was part of whiskey, drank a whiskey, and walked back to the graveyard, and just stood still on his back. There's some great stories about it, you know, sort of like I love the sound of this, and I said there was a large flag stone with a cross carved or edged into it. Like Royce, okay, I know what it looks like, because that's what I'm dealing with. It looked like he was taking a guess. So I forgot the cap, which is about three-and-a-half of our droids here up to the shitty winding roads, and I get to what I thought was the graveyard. It was a graveyard attached to his church, but it was still new. It was like, oh no, this can't be used. You know, this has to be an old graveyard. So he wandered around with it, and they all couldn't find anything, or didn't just old a man come to the church man, and I said, well, it was 80s, you know, and I said, look, I'm looking for a damn old graveyard. I was not here. He said, it's about a kilometer on the road, under Royce, he said, for him. It's really, really overgrown. He said, are you from the county council to cut the grass? I said, I'm not. I said, I'm looking for the flags at the end. He said, oh, Jesus, I heard it, and he said, but I've never seen one. Jesus said, I haven't even talked on it in 50 years. I remember my grandfather, I told him, you know, but he said, I've never seen one. He said, I said, you're going to do well to clean him and decorate him. I said, why is that? He said, it's wicked, or we say, there's no one cut that graveyard for 20 years. So he said, okay, so he said, mind your feet. I'll look around and just soak him with all your coffins and stuff. He said, be very, very careful of your feet as well. He said, because if something happens, it doesn't look like he's up there. You know, it's like, okay. So we get to the place, Jordan, it's like the weeds are like eight feet tall. You know, I mean, they're talking about the height of the ceiling, just overgrowth everywhere. And it's like, it's a whole great, probably with an acre, an acre and a half. Like how the fuck are we going to find that in here? But I said, look, I'm after drawing the tree and a half. I was, I'm not going to go what I would draw you. So like I had a slash open the back to crawl back. You know, so I go and I start on the wrong side. I want to shoot a start on. I know that no, I start on the right hand side. And I just kind of caught and pulled my way through the entire grave. Because you can even see the head start. It was buried under overgrowth. And then two and a half hours later, still caught me way through. I was like, I'm just full of freedom now. I try one more spot and then I'm going to go on. So like, you know, you're caught through broilers and hands were just caught. Blood, you know, and just more daily wearing your like, I just put the fuck away. They want to met. You know what I mean? This is just crazy. So I just go up the left hand corner. I just start caught me like, you know, because that's two and a half hours and I explain before you know, and I get this this this grain nice and I pull back some weight in the sea, the bottom of a cross, etched into this, this flag. So I was like, fuck, this could be it, you know, this could be it. This is the height start. Does the height start be, you start getting excited, does that. It's starting to switch around in the air. Pull back all the way. And it's just just being perfect flags on probably about four and a half long, probably about that tick with this cross perfectly carved into it. You know, it's like something from fucking Indiana Jones, George. I'm not joking. I was like, I was like, I was going to find this on there. I remember on the vet, it's still that sort of felt like it was like, this is incredible. I'm at the point that this perfect flag stone does cross. That's the flag of denim at the finite. It's probably sitting there for going to 100 years and I touched, you know what I mean. And it is beautiful. Like it's like the shape I'm looking at the phone is the shape of the phone. We were going to be like a cross, just one cross carved into it. And it's massive. I mean, I'm talking between two and 20 to two and a half feet long, like you're like, it looked like 12, 12 maybe 18 inches thick, like that's a yeah. And then it's like, it's got to be well, like another three feet, probably three feet wide as well, then, like if it's a flag stone, like, oh, but I was like, I've done was looking at the goys. I was like, first I was thinking, how would they name a couple of people over at least in this, because I was thinking, Roy, but it was looking at, did you ever watch the rogue documentaries, stone lifts? The goys over, yeah, the goys over in the basketball trick during the leverage, you know, during the big block lift, where they kind of put it onto our lap and then they lean back. Yeah, yeah, they roll. Yeah, they roll. That's a technique you do with that. The stone's too, right? Like you roll them up to your knees and then you're kind of in that chair position, you're bare hugging it and you start rocking, like rocking chair, to try and get momentum, to then get it up to the shoulder, to then you can put it on the platform. Exactly. So I was thinking, it probably did the same way that if the disc, you know, but it was just to fund it up because it took so much hassle and it took a lot of time. David you lift it? You were good and warned. I tried to attempt it, but I just caught it. But at the time, I felt absolutely an act or anything from just all the cotton and all the stress and then finding it, I know, it's an excuse, but I mean, I don't think I'd be able to be able to take it away at anyway. Not nailed. Not yet, but I mean, it's it's a goal. It's another goal, so let's try and get it, maybe just break the ground, or it get a little bit active. It was just such an awesome find, it was so hard to find. But then like I said, you get that rush, would you actually get it? It was like, yeah, that's amazing, you know, and it just looks so beautiful and big thing, this thing was was used as a mass rock. I thought it would be a bit of a mass rock, but it was used as a mass rock back in the day, back on a penal law, and the Irish couldn't practice patholicism due to a British invasion. This was used as an altar in the graveyard, so the priest used to say mass at this store. So there's a lot of history about it. So I mean, you got like so-so economic, political history. You know, you got religious history, you got strength history, you got, you know, mythology about the invoking the devilish. It's just an incredible story. Wow. Yeah, I'm curious to do any of the, do any of the, because what a lot, I think what a lot of people associate stones in Ireland with probably stone hands, right, which is, you know, the druids, right? Are there, are there like druid lifting stones? I know that I like, I know there's some ties to ticatholicism and mass and the time where English occupation where they weren't allowed to practice their chosen religion. I wonder, like, how far back does, does the stone lifting go across some of the other cultures in Ireland as well? Yeah, I mean, I fell one, I fell one on a, I know you're called inish bottom. And inish being island and bullfinn, mean white cows, the island of white cow, which has some great stories and textures as well. But that's again, that's up the west coast of Mayo, County Mayo in Ireland. And over there, in this old room of monastery, and there's like 15th century monastery, there was this stone, and what they call a balon stone. So balon stone is like a, a large bowl, like a bowl caught into it, you know, so what they were used for was that one of the theories, we didn't know what they were used for, but one of the theories was they were all druidic offering stones are are, you know, when it conduits to a day, you know, still at the list of crumb crew of them, they're too after they're done and not like themselves. So they were, they were old, pagan worship stones. So like they're talking, at least a thousand years old, you know, possibly more, I mean, possibly two to three thousand years old, you know, because Catholicism when it came to Ireland in the year 700. So I mean, you're talking way before that, this stone was used as an offering stone. Then the Catholics took them and used them as holy waterfalls, you know, so like that stone was being able to get a conduit to date, these are like probably 1500 years, you know, and I was also used as an empty stone. So that one in English bathroom was pretty awesome because you get to this old room and monastery, you know, and all of a sudden it's just a gabel and a window caught through it. In front of that there's a Catholic altar and a stone altar, and in front of the altar, the belonged stone. So you're lifting like a dramatic stone onto a Catholic altar, which is pretty awesome, you know what I mean, which is awesome. You're looking through that window, you're looking back at the mainland, you know, so it's, it's a pretty special place, you know, so yeah. I got to come see you, I got to come lift some of these stones, man, this is like, I think maybe it resonates more with me because I'm a virus heritage, but I feel like, I feel like no matter what, no matter what heritage you're, you got to, you just, I feel like it's just such a unique thing, like it's such an intersection of so many pieces of culture, like physical culture, like you said, politics, religion, and especially in a place like Ireland, like there's just so many aspects, like a folklore and mysticism, and like it's, I don't know, it's just, it's very, it's gone at all. I mean, it's gone at all. I mean, it's gone at all. I mean, it's gone at all. I mean, the, the, the one that I'm always excited about, I find it was one called the clockondra, which was up in, um, open county mail again, you know, but that was a giant strong, I mean, the story goes, the mythology goes, that this giant used to throw this story around like a pebble, and the marx in his hands, like his fingerprints are in the top of the stone, you know, so it was like, that sounds really, really cool. I know all the Irish giants, you know, a couple of years ago, used to pick this stone up and throw it over a shoulder and like throw it like, you know, throw it at the smaller pedestal. Yeah. It's like iron is full of giant storing stones. I mean, every, every stone, every nation or attic has a giant story attached to it. It's all over and you know, I mean, that they're a few on the cool, true, that stone from the mount top, you know, on the land and in that field, there's the marx in his hands and the stone, you know, so it's like, would it be cool if you could find one that had a mythological story, but was small enough, that like an armman could lift, because all of these stones like some of them, like your 60 tons, you know, I mean, on the tons, the way the size of a tractor, you know, the size of a small cap. But I found this all up up in the mail, so like, yeah, this giant stone, it's all on the paper, the marx in his hands is in the stone and the local strongmen used to lift it to see where they are strong as they are as giant. It's like, that's just a fucking brilliant. I mean, is that there? So I don't know, I got to drive up the mail, which is five hours away, and I get to this village and it's sitting in the middle of the village green on four legs, you know, they're using it as a seat, and like, that's the giant stone there. Okay, I can touch it. The giant used to throw that around with the marx in his hands, you can see the three fingerprints and pombrins of his hand, as if that other stone, whether it's true or not, it's a great folk stone there. And there it is, you know, there it is, they are, I'm trying not to. So like, this story, this, this, that's the bridge between reality and mythology, right there. So I said, I'm going to do something about this, I'm going to make something at least, because the story alone, this is fucking brilliant, you know what I mean? And I was joined, so I'm organizing a festival in July, up in mail of this, this village. And the tagging is, are you as strong as an Irish dream? And we're just going to get guys up to seek an elliptic stone, you know? And again, I put it out online and this guy's coming to my workplace, you know, this guy's coming through. How heavy is that stone? It's a, I think it's, it's between, I think it's the way it is, but I mean, estimate between 178 kilos. And how, how do you weigh a 180 kilo stone like you know? You can't just use a bathroom scale for that. Like, what do you, you're hung around a freight scale or something? Like, how are you? Well, I have a crane scale. This won't be a crane scale. So I believe we can make a hang in crane scale. Okay. But I mean, you can weigh up the, put up the flight on a kilo on this thing. I have a couple of, uh, steel bars. So usually, if I forget, if I get someone to come along with me, before the board size of the bar, you wrap the, the stone in rope, tie down the crane scale and lift it up. And then you get that hanging, that hanging weight, you know? But, um, you know, I should say, I just said like, this story is incredible. And again, on the tagline is brilliant. Like, how you were strong is nervous. I mean, who would want to go over and try that too? It's awesome. You know what I mean? So this guy is coming from all over. You know, I'm just some of the Irish strongest men are coming in and follow it. As serverers, Ireland, which would be Irish strongman association, they're getting involved. So like, this is going to be brilliant. You know, he's going to go like, I get Irish music. We get like craft food. We get the bloke of food stalls. We get the pubs involved. Like, we have a bit of crack. We have to make an event of it, you know? Oh yeah, that sounds, that sounds amazing. What do you think is the lim- like, what do you think is the limit as far as how heavy of a stone, a human nowadays? We'll set aside the Irish giants. How heavy of a stone do you think? What do you think the limit is right now as far as the heaviest stone you think a human can actually lift right now? I don't know, because I'm not going to like, I mean, Jacob Finnerty was coming over, right? And if you don't know him from the mob, he's just, he's down his bear. And his tagline is that I'm the strongest guy. You don't, you've never heard of. But he is the world record in stone press, overhead press. And he is one of the best stone actors in the world, you know? And he is going to try and press like a hundred and sevens to eliminate the kilos over his head, you know? Over his head. Wow. Yeah. All right. So I mean, he, I think he could actually press the giant stone over his head, you know? Which I think he probably be one of maybe three men in the world who could possibly do that, you know? But I think as, as and get a waste to your chest, three hundred, maybe more, you know, maybe, maybe more three hundred kilo, depending on like, I mean, if you're one of the world's strongest, if you're top athletes in the world, you know, because I've seen some, some, some average guys, you know, I've seen some interesting, some normal guys. I mean, look, look up like the, when you have your fellow American Sean or like Sean is an absolute monster. You know, he's not a huge man, not that I can tell from us. He's, you know, just an online stuff, but he's not a massive, massive man. What he's lived in a huge way. I mean, that man is his choking around to want to keep us going pretty easily. Natural stones, you know? And he's going to like do a stone. Do you think a guy like, like, like, hopthor, like, you think like, would he be at a disadvantage because he's so big, like, because he's six, nine, four hundred pounds. Like, would that be dissed, a disadvantage being that big to be able to like get down and get things off of the ground? Or he's just so fucking strong. I mean, join him when you're watching, we watched the, um, their full story of their documentary, don't they made an eye use that. He, like, he featured heavily in that. And like, and he was picking up, like, who's first known, and like, picking up the ground, and it's not to get nail on, then kind of catch it. You know, I mean, the man is just incredibly strong. You know, he's just so strong. I don't think it'd be a disadvantage for him specifically. No, definitely not. He's just an absolute beast of a man. And I can't wait to see some really heavyweight dudes, some real big guns. Like, that's what we look forward to seeing, like, Sean and Jacob come over this year and see what they can do with these huge big Irish lifting stores, you know, because a lot of them, like, I'm not gonna go on. I mean, one of these stores, I mean, I found that in his talk, which is 207 kilos, the lift was, it's like a, I have it, so this is just a break, right? I'm getting an inch out the ground and I say, that lift, but I think these guys can really put these under shoulder, you know what I mean? So like, these guys would go down in a local ledge and if they do that, they'll be talking forever. So yeah, I mean, even if the standard was just to break ground, if you can lap it, that's a huge accomplishment. And then if you can shoulder it, if you can shoulder it, you're a freak of nature. Like, dude, that's, you will be down in local history forever. You'll be forever talked, because I mean, I was over in historical island, to our men, so there's only 40 people live on 40 people on the whole island. That's not a lot of people, you know what I mean? And you go down in history forever, you know, that there will be the legend of whoever lives on the coast. I'm looking forward even for our name, I'm so excited for them to go for Troy, because their names and everything for that, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's fantastic. I can't wait, I can't wait to see. I've been, I've been following, I've been following all the stuff that you've been, that you've been doing and I'm just like, man, he's finding new stones every freaking weekend, it seems like they just, you know, when you just get obsessed, you know, when you just get, no, I've never gotten obsessed with anything ever in my life, never happened. Camille, that's not the before Camille, how are you getting on? What's the training? I'm getting on well, man, you know, I'm what like, I guess I'm, I had shoulder surgery June, June first, so I'm like nine months out from shoulder surgery. So now I'm just now clearing the window where my physical therapist would have said that I could start lifting again, but I started lifting three months ago, but I started fairly, I started fairly light, like I started with 12 kilo, you know, with 12 kilo stuff and worked my way. Yeah, just been working my way back when I'm starting, I'm back training on 16s again, mostly, you know, which has been, which has been good. It is very much like, like, it's, it's kind of a double-edged sword, right? It's like, I'm, I'm actually kind of excited, like, it's like being a new lifter again, and I'm like, you know, can you guys ask people like, what would you do different if you knew, like, you know, if you could go back and start all over, it's like, well, I basically went back and started all over. So now I, like, the nice thing is like, I know my technique is very solid, and now I'm not in a hurry to go, I'm not in a hurry to go up to heavier weights, right? Like, I was, I was very intentional about I started with 12s, and then I went from 12s to, to 13, and from 13 to 14, and then, and then I went from 14 to 16, right? And I was like, like, just being very intentional about trying to be incremental with it. And even on certain days, like, with my shoulder feels wonky or whatever, I'm like, okay, I'll put the 16s down, and I'll go back to the 12s, like, and I haven't had any, I haven't had any weird, like, mental, you know, because back in the day when I was younger, it was like, oh, you can't lift that. You got to lift heavier than that, right? It doesn't count if you're not, you know, like, like, like that. I'm older now, like, I have nothing to prove to anyone at this point. I'm just trying to do this. Yeah, I'm just trying to do this to, to get healthy, and to, you know, to be strong, and, you know, so I'm pretty excited about about the direction. It's the, the, where I'm at, you know, it's nice to have my shoulder functional again. And, uh, how's it feeling? It's feeling all right. It's feeling all right. There's still most, it's getting to the point now where most of the time I don't notice a huge difference between my right and my left. But then I see the video. And I'm like, and you can see it's riding higher. I can't straighten my, my ride elbow is much. And like, you can see there are still, I'm like, okay, I need to keep doing my physical therapy. I need to keep working on that mobility, like, you know, because it's starting to feel normal again, but it's not. It's still not normal. It's not, it's not there. But, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of long. So I'm pretty, I'm pretty stoked on it. It's, uh, yeah, it's been, what's your, what are the any goals for that for the year? I mean, I want to hit, or you're just going to just keep, just keep, uh, I think for riddle struck in, for riddle struck in, in August, um, I'm probably, I'm going to try and, well, I'm going to do it, I'm going to do a 10 minute triathlon. It's just a matter of whether it's with 16s or 20s. So, so we'll see, like, I'm, I'm hoping that I'll be fit enough to do 20s, um, for, for a 10 minute triathlon, um, but we'll see. And if it's, if it's 16, if it's 16s, it's 16s, right? And that, and that's really just fine, you know, so, you know, we couldn't, I mean, I get it to do another thing, you know, I'm triathlon, especially, and especially the jokes actually, that's, that's so follows, you know, the hardest part for me triathlon is always the long cycle, because it's typically at the end, and you've already, you've already, like, cashed out, you've cashed out some of your shoulder endurance on jerk. And then you've cashed out a good amount of your grip endurance on, on, on snatch. And so then it's like, well, what do you have left? And how much, how much, how much suffering can you take, right? And how deep can, how deep can you dig? Because those, those reps are worth three points, right? They're worth, or there were three times as much as the other, as the other reps. So they're pretty valuable. So you don't want to, you don't want to suck ass in long cycle, you're not going to put up a good coefficient, right? So, but it's also, it's also the last lift. So you're like, you know, at least for me, I'm like, I'm just trying to survive a lot of times. That's not long. So that log cycle, that log cycle set. And like, I still haven't successfully completed a 10 minute triathlon with 20s, because a couple of years ago, when I did the, the, the cally open, when it was during COVID, it was during COVID, and it was all virtual. And, and cat about it was like, we're going to do it virtual. I did well in, I did well in jerk. I did well in snatch. And then long cycle was last. And it was actually on, so I did biathlon on Saturday. And then Sunday was long cycle day. And so I was going to do long cycle in my garage. And I got all set up and everything. And I got into it. And I was like, three minutes into my set and my fucking camera fell over. Like my, my, my tripod fell over. And so I was like, I had been all like, I was in my groove. And like, I had been like, yeah, mentally, I was ready to go. And then my camera fell over. And I was like, well, what the fuck do I do now? So then I had to put them down. And then I reached out to the organizers. And they're like, this fine. We've got it. We've got a slot. We've got a slot in like, and not in the next flight, but the flight after that. So I like, I like, I like, stopped three minutes into my long cycle set, had one, had one flight off to like reset. And then had to go back and do it again. And I made it, I made it five minutes. I made it five minutes into that. And then I, I honestly, I was just mentally, I was mentally honest. Yeah, I can understand that. But 100%. I put it down at five minutes. And yeah, it was just, it was just piss. So like, just finishing a 10 minute triathlon with the 20s this year would be my, that'd be my, that'd be, that'd be great. That'd be great. That'd be great. It'd be great. It'd be great. It'd be even on the 16s. We agree. 20s, especially that'd be funny. Yeah, 20s, 20s would be great. 16s, they probably will be like, okay, cool. Oh, um, but you know, like, I'll be, I'll be happy about it. Don't give me wrong. I'll be happy about it. If I can do that. But yeah, we'll restore, but I was all the team. I was all the team. That's, that's what I'm most excited about. As we, we have some, the team is doing well. We have some people that are really, we have some people that are really crushing it. Um, a lot of people, I'm, I'm excited to see kind of the shift that's happening in the sport right now towards triathlon because that's been my philosophy for years. And we're seeing, we're seeing a shift to it because IUKL just decided you can either, you can compete in any of the, any of the three events individually, or you can compete at triathlon. They got rid of biathlon as its own event. And so, um, so that's, I think that's going to be an interesting shift. But I, you know, I'm seeing, seeing some people on my team really put up some impressive numbers on triathlon, which is cool. And, um, you know, there's my buddy David here is, is, is close by, um, and he's, he's been progressing, he was in nursing school for the last year, like year and a half. And he graduated and everything. And so now he's been able to train more. And starting to see his numbers come up. And I'm like, you're gonna, like, just show up and people are going to be like, who the fuck is this guy? You know, because he's big and he's big and strong. And he's, he's like my height, but he's got better, he's got better anatomy for it. He's got longer arms and higher, higher hip bones and everything. So he's got the anatomy for it. And he's been training for a half marathon on the side too. So his cardio is already really solid. And so, you know, I'm excited to see what he does in, in October and, yeah, there's everybody's, everybody's doing really well. And it's, it's, it's a lot of fun. It's, it's an interesting shift. Here's the to try out. Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It really is. I'm interested. I'm really interested to see if the rest of the, if the rest of the sport embraces that or if they kind of stand apart on their own with that will be, be interested. Yeah. I think that's what the thing with the sport like, just the goalposts just ships so much. Don't I mean, it changes every, every couple of years to, to something else. But I mean, look at least it keeps an interest. You know, I mean, the, I think triathlon is a great idea because you have to be able to all around. We have to be good at all. You know, when it truly show we're the best all around athletes. And then you'll have obviously your specialists as well. Yeah, it's definitely an interesting take. You know? Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's going to be, it's going to be really fun. I'm, I'm really, I'm really interested to see. When you, so you said you were going to come, you're going to come back to the sport at some point when you're, when you're, yeah, because I'm, like, because I'm like, I'm trained a way like, I trained once a week. I had the best with them, but they're trying to win. We're just going to back out. And like, I have kept events from 20 key like I'm 20, 28, 36, 42, 48. Now we train heavy, you know, we train heavy, but like, we do like, say 10 swings, 10 squats, 10 press, you know, open down the ladder a few times. And, you know, I mean, especially, you know, in your presence of hard deals for eights, I mean, you want to get strong with it. So, I like the story of the knobs. Yeah. So, um, so I'm thinking like, do it like self-DIKMF games or maybe some pentathlon stuff, you know, because I mean, I've proven to myself like the lungs like a stuff in the marathon. I don't know all that, you know, and there's much more to do with it. But I think it'd be great for just to, to truly deal with the branch, you know, because you're, you're that bit, that bit stronger. Maybe Troy likes the farty, uh, farty keto or what is it? Farty A keto, Jericho set or do some heavy pentathlon stuff. You know, so that'll be interesting after we kind of hit a few goals on it this year, maybe not this year, maybe next year, but it's, it's definitely lurking in the background, you know, that the Todd is there. I like to pull back and Troy that, you know, I guess it can. You know, I have a few years. You're still young. You're still young. You're still a young man. Young enough. You know, the lifting is the fountain of youth. It keeps, it keeps you, it keeps you young. That's the, that's the thing. It's, I think it's, I think that's the thing. Keep lifting so long as you can get yourself off the ground and pick up heavy things off of the ground, you know, the longer you can do that, the happier and healthier you're going to be throughout your life. Exactly. Exactly. Like you said, it's, it's such a functional movement, you know, that's why I love to exit headwinds. I mean, they, they really help each other to help me as I'm a stone train and to a great, you know, kind of a balance of each other for, for, you know, straight to joins. When you make it, when you make a net program publicly available, I want to see the, the David Kion and Stone's stones and bells program, man, like, there's the stones. It's awesome. You know, it's awesome because, um, what I'm loving is they have a flat stone bag and I'm just adding it by the way it's artwork, you know, and so you can regulate it, like, deadlifts. So yeah, it's, it's amazing. It's going to progress. And it was something that you never taught parts, but, you know, I know you, you did a ton of mobility work for kettlebell sport. Is there anything, um, specific to stone lifting that, like, you're like, oh, I need, I need to add more, I need to add a different mobility component or was it all covered? No, it was all there. I mean, I found Jesus, I mean, I was, the, the hip mobility, especially, it comes in so handy, we know, you're lifting these big weights because A, you can get right down, you know, literally, after grass, and when I'm, when I'm picking them, and then when you're sitting in within lap, like, I've often sat, like, literally on my ass, but we're just on the grass, you know what I mean? So you're not going to get later last the grass for, you know, so you don't have to pick the stone hot, hot, you know, as long as you can get it over your knees, you can then pull that in and sit right down. You know what I mean? So like, you know, you're going to be yourself under the weight, as opposed to needing to lift the weight further. Exactly. So I mean, you're using your body as cleverly as you can, because like, it's another massive way. I'm only falling for pain. You know what I mean? So like, to be able to have that mobility really, really helps, you know what I mean? Because I see guys like, you know, who are stronger than me, who kind of lift the same kind of way. So I'm doing purely because they can't get into the positions that are, you know, not using their body to their full potential. They're not using, say, you know, just using their back or something, but they're just, you know, using their, they're gluing their legs because they can't get into the position. Because mobility is terrible. So like mobility is the phone, like I said, is the phone reviewed? It's the basis of everything. It's all in the engine. And there's something I practice like still, religiously, every morning, you know, I'm up and I'm doing 30 minutes mobility work every day. You know, I've caught up to brushing my teeth of my joints. I just get up and just go through full range of motion stuff every single day, you know. That's awesome. It helps. It helps. No matter what, if it's pure strength, if it's cat beds, whatever you're into, if you can get into positions quicker, better, faster. I think you stack your joints correctly. You know, you're, you've got to head down on anybody. That's awesome. Yeah, I love that. It's the brushing your teeth of athletic expression. Because it really is like, that's one thing, like I was actually just telling one of my athletes yesterday. We were talking about, you know, why he's feeling the limitation overhead in jerk, especially as the weights get heavier. And I was like, I think it's, you know, thoracic extension and some, some lat, you know, some mid lat flexibility and mobility piece. And I was telling him kind of the same thing. I was like, I was like, you know, here's a few things that you can do. It's like, but you got to do it every day because like we're at computers for 10 hours a day. And like, you know, 30 minutes, 30 minutes, twice, twice a week of, you know, working on your thoracic extension isn't going to make a difference overcoming, you know, 60 hours, you know, at a computer. And then whatever time we spend looking at a phone and what have you. So, but yeah, I like that, I like that expression. It's the brushing, brushing your teeth, you have to do it, you have to do it every day. It's the truth. And I guess it's something that you have to do. You know, you have to use it. Are you going to lose it? And like I said, mobility especially, that's that's why you see all these these, some of these old people who were just like literally just bent over, you know, just from, from not working on that, you know, you know, they were just the older, different generations. So, like we have access to all this kind of information now. So I don't think there's any excuse or an effect that I don't like it. You know, folks, I mean, this is your body, you know, you get ones, you get fuckers. There's always an excuse. There's never good reasons, right? That's there's always excuses. There are very few reasons that exist. Exactly. I like that. All right, brother. Well, I'm going to let you go because I'm going to go take my kids to the pool. You do that. I'm going to finish off my points and I'm going to go in and check it out on the sofa. Jordan, it was awesome seeing you again, man. Yeah, absolutely. I was just going to say, we need to maybe, maybe connect, you know, more than once a year, but I appreciate you, brother. This is, this is super fun. And I'm going to pay you offline to get some of the names and some of the websites and stuff that you listen. So I can put them in the show notes and make sure people have those resources. And we're, we're going to let everybody know when you're doing your festival. Awesome. I want to see you. I want to see you lift the O'Flarity Stone. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome. So good on you, man. Happy St. Patrick. See you, man. Slantya. You too, man. Slantya, brother, please. Thank you for listening to this episode of the platform podcast. We'll be back with a new episode soon. Please be sure to leave a rating and review of the platform podcast in your app of choice, support our work by supporting our affiliates. And of course, if you have questions or you want help reaching your goals, reach out to me. 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