Nathan Cambron | Welder, kettlebell athlete

Welcome to the platform podcast where we talk to coaches, athletes, experts, and real people to learn about their approaches to training, nutrition, mindset, and much more. I'm your host, Jordan Kunde-Wright, founder and head coach of the Twin Cities Kettlebell Club. And I'm on a mission to help others build sustainable, healthy lifestyles. This week, my guest is Nathan Cambron. He falls in the real people category as a welder and fabricator by trade and training who happened to pick up Kettlebell Sport as his primary training modality and plans on competing for the very first time here in the Twin Cities in October. We get into his background as a welder, some of the cool things that he is currently making, how he started for training for Kettlebell Sport and a very cool announcement towards the end of the interview. So stay tuned all the way to the end. 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He is a metal fabricator by trade and he also plays a little bit with some Kettlebells as well as some maces or goddess, if you will, does some mace training as well. He is a friend of Tim Boyer's as well. I'm told so he is the one who connected and connected me. I actually had multiple people tell me that you would be somebody that I should bring on to the show. So thank you so much for for being willing to come on to the show. Appreciate it, Nathan. Yeah, man. I'm glad to be here. I'm excited. So I asked, I asked before we started recording, you know, how do you self identify? And you were like, I don't, I don't really know, which is, you know, I understand it's an odd question. But we landed on, we landed on that you're a welder Nathan the welder. So tell me, tell me a little bit about that. I mean, how did you, how did you get into welding? And, and what do you, what do you do when you have, you know, a thousand degree torch in your hand? Well, it's kind of hard to say. So my, my uncle growing up owned an excavation company. And when I was a kid, I'd see guys, you know, from a distance welding on stuff. And I guess that kind of sunk into my brain then. But I didn't actually weld for the first time until I was a sophomore in high school. And here locally here in Boise, we have a, they have a really good vocational program in high school. And so I took welding all three years of high school. And it was one of those things. The first time I saw sparks flying, I was like, okay, yeah, this is it. This is what I want to do. And then I started to find out that you can make a good living doing that. And so that kind of sealed the deal for me. And I just kind of fell in love with them more and more. Just the big iron, you know, big heavy metal stuff. Just, I just, I just really liked it. And, you know, who doesn't like playing with fire, right? Yeah, absolutely. You get, you get to have, you get to have the most, you know, the most powerful, one of the most powerful and destructive forces in your hands. And you use it to create. So that's pretty, that's pretty cool, right? It can, it can create, it can create and transform where it can destroy. And you're, you're wielding it, pardon the pun, you're, you're wielding it to create. So, you know, you're like a modern day wizard, I guess. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. How long does it take to get to, oh, sorry. No. I guess I was just going to say it's one of those things, you know, welding stuff, making things out of steel. You know, it's very permanent, typically, which is one of the things I really enjoy about it is, you know, I still see stuff I made 10 years ago, you know, hanging out in different places around town. So it's pretty cool that way. Yeah, that's the, you know, the thing that I, the thing that I tell my wife, you know, anytime a new kettlebell shows up at the house, I'm like, these are heirlooms. They're going to outlive me and they're going to outlive my, you know, our kids and our kids kids, right? So, these are, we're just going to pass these down. I'm just, I'm just building, I'm building the inheritance. Yeah, I tell my wife the same thing, but she still rolls her eyes at me. Yeah, it's, you know, it's, it's not a great selling point, but I can imagine that's, that's very good. I'm proud, I'm proud when I like build a deck or like, you know, I built something out of wood that, you know, if left in neglect is going to, is definitely not going to last very long, but to, to make steel structures, I can imagine that that's pretty cool to, like, see stuff that you've made. Know that it's going to be there for a long time because you, you made it well out of very durable materials. Yeah. And just, just, that side note on that one, I hate working with wood. So, you know, so hats off my hats off to anybody that does carpentry or anything like that, because I, I can't stand it at all. That's an interesting pose moving into the future. I would, I would assume it's just falsely, I would falsely assume that people that like making things like that the medium is not as important just as the, as the creation. But so, so why is it that you don't like wood? I'm, I'm, now I'm curious, I'm really curious about that. Well, I guess, number one, I haven't really given it that much. I haven't tried that hard, but like, I remember I was trying to straighten out a two by four, that was a little warped and it just snapped in half. And then I was like, nope, not, not for me, you know, because I can take anything out of steel and I can straighten it out, I can, you know, not that it's awesome, but I can cut it too short and I can weld a piece back on, you know, and we're still back where we started. Versus, you know, you got a really major twice cut once with the wood stuff. That is, that is true. There is no, yeah, there is no stitching pieces of wood together with any structural integrity. Yeah. So yeah, I, like I said, I haven't given it a shot, but I mean, my brain always goes right to metal, you know, like I made like a bench for our, by our front door, so I can put my boots on and I made it out of steel. Which with our toddlers, my wife hasn't been super excited about, but luckily, none of the kids have clouded themselves on it. So that's been fortunate. So how, so how, how old are the kids and how many do you have? I have a son who will be seven next month and then my daughter is two and a half. So I got, I got one each and they're both crazy. As I'm sure all, all little kids are. And to varying degrees. Yeah, I think, I think so. I've got one of each as well, but the daughter is the older and the, and the son is the younger and it's kind of the old joke that parents make like the first one is easy because that's how the universe tricks you into having a second one. And then the second one is crazy or that's that's been kind of our kind of our experience so far. Yeah, we've been, our daughter has been, she's super chill, you know, and so it's been, it's been nice that way, but she's starting to pick up some of my son's craziness. Yeah, he's just got so much so much energy running around being crazy jumping over the couch and stuff like that, you know, and me and my wife are constantly. Now that he is learning how to do it too. Yeah, she, yeah, monkey see monkey do that's yeah, that's great. So she's going to pick up on on all of that on all of that stuff that's that's fantastic. Congratulations to you and your wife, I am. Yeah, thank you. You know, that's a, that's a nice, that's a nice spread right there. They're close enough together that they can be friends, but they're, they're not like right next to each other. Like, like, like, like my, like my two kids, there was not a, not a plan there to, to space them out. Like, my wife's little sister has two boys that are 360 days apart or so, and it just seemed like a nightmare. You know, watching her have to do with two of them that, yeah, I'm sure you can relate. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a blessing and a curse, right? Yeah, my, my, my 19 months apart, and it's like, some days they're just best of friends and they love each other and they're like, they'll just play together and entertain each other and have a great time. And then there's, there's nights like tonight where it's like, I'm trying to teach kettlebell and my daughter comes running outside and she's like, rowing through yogurt in my hair and then he tried to punch me and he tried to stab me with the spoon. And I told him to stop and you said I could protect myself. So I punched him. You know, I've got like, you know, seven, seven people on a zoom class. I'm trying to also mediate, mediate the conflict in the bathroom that involved yogurt slinging and attempted standings with the whole object, you know. That can be the, that can be the other side of it sometimes. Yeah, for sure. We haven't, we've been lucky that way, like luckily Vincent, he's, he's always been pretty big and he's going to be pretty strong. I'm, I'm sure like he's kind of got a six pack already and my daughter is like opposite, like she's teeny, teeny, teeny. And so like, I think there's just the inherent, you know, got to protect the tiny baby there. So we haven't had any physical alterations yet between them. Because I mean, it's like, you know, 50 pounds. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully. Yeah, they're far enough apart that you don't get that, right? Hopefully that spread alleviates some of that. I feel like some of that is proximity in age. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, we got our fingers crossed. That's awesome. And that's awesome. So I meant to ask how long does it take to go from? So you did three years of welding training in voc, in vocational training in high school. And then how long does the process take from graduating from high school to like, do you do an apprenticeship? Do you go on to a, then a trade school and, and do more training there? Or how, how did that, how did that pass? Because I, I am not a tradesman. Well, so I do not, I do not know that I do not know the first thing about this. Well, I'm sure it's different everywhere. But so I'm one of the, I was one of the few kids in my classes anyway that really full advantage what the program offered because they we could get welding certifications in school. And so I spent pretty much the, I like the first year I was there. I think I got one certification and after that, that's basically all I focused on was just because there's a plethora of different welding processes, which gets pretty convoluted if you don't know, you know, kind of what's going on. I, I left high school with nine pieces of paper saying that I can proficiently weld in these different processes. And I went right to work. I didn't go to college. I just started working for my uncle and I worked for him for six months at his excavation company. And then one of the bigger fab shops in the valley had an opening. And so I applied for that and I got it. And so I was 18 years old when I started working there. And I just went right into welding 50 hours a week. And that's through, I mean, welding is just such an experience thing. Yeah. You know, like I could have gone to college and got, you know, a small amount of hours here and there, but I still leave, you know, if I were to leave college three years later, two years, three years, four years later, however long I wouldn't have, you know, the 10,000 hours I had having gone to work right away. Yeah, putting in reps right away. Yeah. And that's kind of the vibe I got from my teacher and other people I talked to was like, you know, I already had, you know, I had paperwork. So there wasn't really anything. A college was going to show me that I didn't, you know, I kind of already have my some experience with, whereas, you know, getting into the workforce. That's when you really, I learned more of that first week. I feel like then I did in the three years of high school. And I worked for that company for almost 10 years. And they have their fingers and all sorts of stuff. So my experience level was pretty high. I've done all sorts of different things from field installations to large diameter tank erection. You know, fixing an old lady's mailbox, you know, but just just like anything. It's not like the other anything and everything. Yeah, exactly, you know, but it's still kind of all falls under the same umbrella of, you know, sticking two pieces of metal together. And, you know, whether it's x-ray quality stuff or, you know, an aluminum grass catcher on a lawnmower for somebody. It's all kind of in the same bubble. And it's just a good good to go through that versus, you know, a lot of guys will leave school and they'll go work for like some sort of manufacturing company where they'll make the same part over and over and over. Whereas I worked at a repair shop. And so we did custom fabrication stuff and then, you know, whatever people would drag in the door that was broken. And they'd be like, fix it. And then we'd have to figure out how to do it. And then, through that, I got a lot of experience doing different things. And then. After working for the same place for 10 years, you know, my list of reasons to quit was about 100 miles long. And they opened it came up at the crane company. And I went for it. And it's been, it was a very good, good step for me. Now, so now you, we were talking offline, you, you know, you know, work for a large crane company doing fabrication for a very large train company, like building big ass cranes. Not so much crane building cranes, but I'll do some maintenance on them. I mean, cranes are one of those things, you know, you really, you know, don't break the crane. You rule number one. I just tons and tons and tons of other stuff. They have company I work for also has a foundation division, like they do, like bridge abutments and stuff. I mean, stuff I had no idea about till I started working there. And they do large, like large diameter drilling. And so I actually worked for do more work for them. If I were to really figure it out, you know, I probably worked for them more than the crane side, but also the guys I work for, like they're, I do a lot of work directly for the president of the company. And he's just one of those mad scientist types that like his brain never stops thinking about how to make work better. Like one of the first crazy projects I made working for him was we made this transport deal out of an old truck frame. And so it was like it looks like a flatbed trailer. But there's a little cabin front. And it's got a comments diesel engine out of a pickup in it. And it silly could have they did the special bridge job up in the middle of Idaho. And they needed something that had four wheel steering to drive stuff on to this crazy tight narrow bridge. And so we made this crazy Frankenstein looking flatbed self driven trailer thing. And it was I just it's just stuff like that. You know, that's awesome. The list goes on and on of just weird weird weird stuff that I've made working for him. What is that what is the we want to see the weirdest but like what is the coolest thing that you've ever that you've ever made that you're like, man, that was just fucking awesome. Oh man, I'd have to think about that. You know, like I've ever to look at my Instagram and like the stuff that gets the most attention of stuff I've made one of the drilling tools they use. So like I said, they do large diameter shafts like, you know, between three foot and like 10 foot diameter. And so I've made a few of these tools that it looks like a giant hole saw, like, you know, like a whole software would or whatever. Only like, you know, be five foot diameter. And it's just got all these gnarly little teeth on it. And they're pretty cool. And they're fun for me to make. It's one of those things. I don't even need like a drawing or anything. They just tell me big to make it. And then I order the things because I need stuff formed into a circle, you know, into a ring and a barrel. And then I can just take it from there and just I know I know how to make the rest of it, which is kind of cool. And yeah, they just look nasty and scary. They're one of my favorite things that I've made. And I know it's hard to imagine without seeing what they look like, but a big gnarly toothy thing. You said on Instagram, where can they, where can people, where can people follow you for that, for that stuff to see your, to see the cool creations that you make. My main handle is in Cambron one. And yeah, I got that's pretty much all I post on there is my work stuff. Like I'll share my kettlebell training and my stories typically, but I leave my main page for work, work and welding stuff because I got a bunch of bunch of buddies in the welding industry that, you know, we all like to fluff each other up and kind of kind of like the kettlebell community, you know, just I don't know about that Instagram. Yeah, awesome. Okay. So we'll so speaking speaking of kettlebell, you're you're coming you're coming out for for October, right? You're coming out for you're coming out for the competition. I think I saw your registration. So I'm very I'm very excited about that. So tell me what's what are you lifting? What's the goal? How's the training going? Let's get into it. What's what's going on? So my plan is to do long cycle with 20 kilo bells. So, you know, I know we still got quite a bit of time, but I'm still hoping that's going to be a reality. I'm very excited about it. I've never been much of a competitive person, which I think is what I've over the last several months really kind of fallen in love with the kettlebell sport is it's a, you know, you versus you, which is kind of how I've always operated, you know, like in school, I never did football or any sports like that, I did like skateboarding and BMX stuff. I guess what I always liked about it. I always liked that it was you can't blame anybody, but yourself, you know, in the end, which is kind of the way my career is at this point, you know, like not to segue back after that, but, you know, they tell me to make something and it's up to me to do it. And it's kind of the same thing with the kettlebells. It's going to be up to me, whether I shit the bad or not. So I'm, but I'm very excited about it and I'm excited to meet you and a bunch of other people. Yeah, yeah, we're excited. We're excited to have you out. I'm excited for you to I'm excited for you to get to the Twin Cities. I'm excited to see you compete. Will this be your first, this will be your first competition, right? You're not competing between now and then. Are you? No, it'll be the first one that I wanted to make sure I was good and ready. You know, I didn't want to jump the gun too soon. Nice. I have all the faith in the world that you will that you will finish the full 10 and that you'll you'll represent yourself while I'm excited. I'm excited to see it. So what's the training cycle like right now? With Levi Mark Bart and I've been with him next week will be week 30 where we've had more of a, the first 10 weeks is more of a GPP focus and then the last 20 roughly has been more long cycle focus and then once I signed up for the contest, he's kind of ramped it up and so Levi, Levi doesn't mess around, man. No, no. Like I've been telling some of my other buddies that worked with him, you know, I've been daydreaming about one minute sets for a long time now. Like I haven't had anything shorter than three minutes. It seems I can forever. He's got these interval style sets that are a mix of long cycle, double half snatch and jerks and today's was three four minute sets and you know, it wasn't that bad. Well, he had me trying to do it with the 20s the last two weeks and I just got destroyed. We went back to the 16s for today and actually went really well. So when you, so when you, so when you say a mix, yeah, of course, but when, when you say, when you say a mix, do you mean so like in a four minute set, do you, do you alternate between the movements or or do you do like you do a four minute, you do a four minute long cycle, then a four minute half snatch and a four minute jerk or what is it? Or do you never know it's without given well, it's it's kind of the same format and without given too much away. A mix of all three movements and it works out to be one minute when you do the amount of reps that he requires and so you just do the one minute and then you just do it again and then you do it again and then you do it again and then you do it again. So it was just four sets like that. But then my long cycle day, which was Tuesday was three minute sets with the 20s long cycle, which is very back and forth. I feel like I almost did better the second like I think this was the fourth week we did the three minute sets and I think I did better the second week than I've done the last two weeks. Yeah, but I've just made sure to always do the time frame, you know, and not not sweat the reps quite as much, you know, just as long as I'm at least keeping in the time frame, you know, that's kind of been my goal for a lot of that. That's good. I think that's that's generally I think the right approach, you know, because you can get you can get too focused on the reps and then not finish the time because you're not paying enough attention to either you're breathing or how your body is responding. And you know, especially with you know, really double, double half snatch right like that's a pretty powerful movement. You're heart rate can go up pretty quickly, you know, so I think yeah, I think you're approaching that probably the probably the right way that's that's great. I can't count very good. It seems like anyway. So, you know, I've definitely been relying more and more on the video and then go back and be like, I think I did this many let's see and then actually count and then go. Sometimes you're surprised in a good way and sometimes in a bad way. Yeah, the oxygen becomes a precious, a precious commodity at a certain point and your your brain doesn't get as much. You know, you're going into the 20s. Yeah, and especially trying to, you know, watch on the clock and trying to keep the pace and then, yeah, my little brain definitely can't juggle too many numbers at the same time. Then you gotta think about your technique and think about your breath and think of, you know, I'm sure I'm sure Levi. I'm sure Levi is giving you feedback on your technique too. So you've got you've got cues that you're thinking about, you know, about what he what is wanting you to focus on with your technique. He's worked with me mostly on single arm half snap stuff, but that's been one of my things I'm super stoked about getting into this as I've had so much help from like the community, you know, on technique like like body, you know, Bobby Hicks is he's given me, I don't even know how many little tutorials on how to properly rack and bump into the jerk and all that sort of stuff. That's a lot of gratitude. Yeah, for sure, you know, that one, I don't even remember when he started following me, you know, so he's like sent me videos on how to do stuff and I'm like, oh, this is cool. And so that's how this community is like that's I love that about this community. Yeah, I've been super stoked about it. I haven't I know I know that, you know, I haven't met nearly everybody in the States that is into kettlebell sport, but everybody I've come into contact with has been super super cool. And you know, everybody seems to be on the same page that we're all trying to do the same thing and it's hard. You know, yeah, everybody wants to help each other. It's super cool. We're all in this together alone is what is what I like to say. Yes, for sure. Because at the end of the day, you don't have to lose for me to win and vice versa, right? Like because I can have and what I mean by that, obviously, you know, when you get to a certain level, of course, you're competing against the other competitors. But like if you and I are going head to head on a 20 double 20s long cycle set at this on the same flight at the same time, I'm not going to be paying attention to what you're doing. Because if I'm paying attention to what you're doing, I'm not paying enough attention to what I'm doing and I'm not putting forth my best set. And if at the end of my best set, I look over and I got 80 and you got 82. I'm going to shake your hand and, you know, and tell you great set, man, you know, because ultimately it's really about, it's really about putting out your best output that you can do and the results will kind of be what they will. I mean, that's that's that's at least my approach to it. Yeah, I did that. I like that a lot. You know, I think that's a pretty cool, pretty cool way to look at it. That's not how everybody is in this. It's taken me a long way to get there. I'm not going to lie because I do come from a very competitive background and I've actually, but it became detrimental to my performance. That was the thing that it took me a while to realize. It's like it became detrimental to my performance because I started pushing too hard to try and catch other people or like I would look at like what other lifters are doing who were in my weight class or who were lifting similar weights than me. But like I didn't even think about like how experienced are those people lifting kettlebells or like what's their injury history compared to my injury history. And you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it's like I was chasing rabbits that I was never going to catch for one which doesn't get you doesn't get you where you want to go any faster. And it wasn't until I shifted my mindset really to just focus on me that I that I started making more meaningful progress and stopped hurting myself as much. I'll say I'll say as much as I still I still push myself too hard sometimes and you know lizard brain but you know say lovey yeah. No, I think that's that's great, you know like realizing that you know I've just never had growing up. I never really had that that part of the drive. I guess I'd always try to you know there's something that I wasn't better at another people where I wasn't as good at as other people I just find something else to do. Kind of thing you know and then as I got older got even more so that way to where like my old job had a softball team, you know, which I was like all super excited about you know like some beer league softball and these some of these kids thought it was a world series every day. You know that's the worst like I watched this. Oh man dude I watched this 23-year-old kid like full on checked this 50-year-old guy at first base and like knock him on the ground. You know and I was like this is just ridiculous I don't want to associate people anymore. Yeah I hate when guys don't understand like what they signed up for like in either direction frankly right like you don't want to be you don't want to be the guy that signs up for a beer league and is coming like you know full on balls to the wall you know bringing all their gear and you know just taking it super seriously. And you also don't want to be the guy that sign that accidentally signs up for like a super competitive league and then you're you're thinking that you signed up for you know for a beer league and you're like like oh shit these people are way better at this than I am and they're not happy about it you know like you know that I've seen both of those situations and it's never it's never good but it bothers me a lot more when people take it way too seriously and it's like bro this is Wednesday night beer league softball. Yeah yeah that's what I would kept thinking I was like what are you doing man like you're a young strong 23 year old you know and you just plow this dude you know for all you know maybe he's got bad knees or you know I mean who knows you really you really showed you really showed him. Yeah exactly good one good one dude I hope I hope I hope I hope the guy that wasn't looking at you. Yeah for sure so how did you actually get into kettlebell sport like how were how were you introduced to it like and how did how did you come to how did you come to find it and what what made you decide like yeah I'm going to that that looks like awful fun I'm going to do that. Well so I've always kind of had an interest in kettlebells and I guess brief history I never lifted weights until I was 19 I don't think in my wife my wife has always been into sports she's a very athletic and she but she's she's a runner which I don't I don't like running. But do people chase her when we're like people are chasing her I don't I think she thinks they're chasing her but I don't know I've never seen them behind her. But when we're first living on her own she got us gym memberships and then I'll never forget it one of the first time we're at this golds gym I still didn't really know much about anything but I watched these three guys that were doing dumbbell bench press and one of them they're older guys one of them had gray hair like I guess he's maybe around probably. Maybe around probably mid 40s and I watched this dude bench the 120 pound dumbbells with you know and i'm sitting there at 19 watching this gray hair dude bench 120 pound dumbbells and I was like that is fucking awesome. And that made me want to start working on getting strong at focused on it before and then so throughout the next 10 years you know off and on doing trying to do bodybuilder stuff and then I started building a garage gym. 2018 and it was pretty cool I had I built a super cool squat rack that had like basically anything that road would come out with I just make I was just going to say about that you just fabricated all of your own material. I did it was super fun and I don't like it and I'd always had an interest in kettlebells I just never been around them you know like most of the gyms I would go to if they even had them they'd always hide them up in the crossfit area. Or you know if I was somewhere like a buddy mine was a personal trainer and he'd do these boot camps and he'd always only ever let me like swing like a 35 pound one but I'd always been interested in the bigger ones and then I realized that bodybuilding was not ever going to get me what I wanted a couple years ago and I started doing more crossfit style stuff and I found out that I I've had surgery on my right elbow and I'm sure there's other mobility reasons but I can't properly front rack a barbell. So you know I'd see guys rack kettlebells and I was like that looks like you know I could do that it looks a lot more manageable and then December of 2019 somebody on Facebook was moving and they had a set of cast on kettlebells they had like I think it was a 12 no they had an eight a 12 a 16 24 and a 32 kilo kettlebell and I bought them I bought it for 200 bucks. Oh wow and so I was kind of getting my foot in the door yeah right I mean it was super cool like the guy was not going to tell you super bomb but he's like we're moving and I can't take these with me and I was like well I really really appreciate appreciate this and then so that got my foot in the door you know kind of realizing that a grown you know an adult male shouldn't really mess around with a kettlebell lighter than a 16 kilo at least in my opinion you know for most things and not actually handling a heavy one you know really open my eyes to like oh wow. You know this is this is a lot harder than one would think and then I you know I'd follow Joe Daniels forever and so I'd always kind of try to snatch and clean and everything kind of sport style anyway yeah this is before even do it hard style or sports style was and this excuse me this because I watch the hard style guys do it you know and they just like snatch it right over the top and you just see their whole body shake when it slammed into their forearm and then I'd watch like Joe Daniels do like sports stuff and I was like that that that was. It looks like how this is supposed to happen you know much smoother and then much smoother right and it looks like you know you could probably do it more than a few times without you know bruising yourself and then I found a stumbled upon Levi's page and then between bugging him and then one of his one of his main guys Andrea Coravana this Italian guy I started talking to him a lot and both of them kept telling me that cast bells are garbage and I used to get into sport bells and during the during last summer. I traded a guy here locally I had a 36 kilo cast bell I traded a guy that for a 20 kettlebell Kings bell and then I started you know started drinking the Kool Aid with that first one and then of course you know at that point you couldn't buy kettlebells anywhere yeah and so I I bit the bullet and I bought kettlebell Kings adjustable bell and they accidentally sent me to I emailed them and they never emailed me back so I'm guessing finders keepers at this point and I started you know the universe was telling you something right I mean I was super stoked because I mean you know they go from 12 to 32 so I had everything I mean they're annoying to change but after that I started you know using those and started you know really light and it and then finally realized that probably pestered Levi for free for far too long so I bought 10 weeks of his programming and then kind of towards the end of that I realized you know I should probably put my money where my mouth is and actually start focusing on you know actually make a goal and I knew I had heard of your competition at this point and then I'm pretty sure anyway and then I told him I wanted to start focusing online long cycle and that's kind of that's kind of it man and after since then I'm just becoming more and more snobby about sport bells versus other kettlebell practices. 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Yeah I feel like it's kind of it goes right at a certain point it's like you know you drive enough Mercedes suddenly suddenly a fiat doesn't doesn't feel as quite as cool you know or whatever you know whatever whatever now I guess the analogous thing you get an NF 150 enough times or whatever your truck is or you know you're just like oh maybe maybe that old jalapia I was driving what wasn't quite as cool as I thought it was. Yeah it is super funny it is like one of the cast 16's I have was my favorite one and I was like really good at snatching it you know and I could do it super well to where I wasn't digging myself up and now I just look at it like ugh yeah that's what I don't want to do that. Well that's the funny thing about the cast because the size like is dictated by you know by the weight right so that that that that's been my experience is a lot of people they'll find a weight that they really like and they think it's that like that that's the weight that they like it's no it's like that's really just the shape that you know. It's really just the shape that you like like because it fits your anatomy well you're like oh yeah it doesn't it sits it sits well on my wrist and like I you know you can get good insertion on it and obviously the weight isn't like killing you like you know a you know a 60 kilogram bell or anything like that right so it's like you can just get comfortable within it fits right and they're like oh I love this bell you know and then it's like well then you get them into into sport bells and they're like oh they all feel the same. Oh this is this is cool it's like yeah imagine if every time you moved up weight in barbell like the barbell got thicker like how how weird would that be to like get that Olympic weightlifting if every time you moved up 10 kilos the the handle got you know five millimeter sticker like that just be weird. You know yeah for sure and I mean it was one of those things like I have pairs in the castbells like 16s 20s and 24s and like I was trying to do the 24s you know it's still like trying to rack them like fort style and do I was just killing my four arms like there's no way to rack those things without them sitting on your arms all weird especially the 24s and this is like we're killing me to where I was like I can't do this and then Andreas like yeah castbell suck and crying okay. Okay you guys have talked me into it yeah you get spoiled yeah just no no looking back at this point you know that's awesome luckily oh go ahead oh I was just gonna my my wife's been using the castbells lately so I'm glad that they're getting some love you know they've just been collecting chalk best for a while so she's she's starting to move them around so that's that's been making me happy good almost almost hawk some of them well availability's coming up now. Now on the the the comp bells as well so it's starting they're starting to be more readily available now that things are starting to return to some semblance and normal so maybe you can maybe you can do the old Facebook Facebook marketplace exchange and you know get into a couple of lighter you know get into get her some support bells and then she'll then she'll understand yeah I need to and man that was like the one of my biggest bummers about the whole pandemic is like you know before like before that happened I was like a Arab trader on Facebook you know at one point I had 600 pounds of plates in my garage and I was money ahead on my garage gym you know just buy and stuff when yeah like people are like just like get this out of my house you know yeah 100 bucks I don't care and I'd be like oh yeah they got 300 pounds of plates and a bench and a barbell you know I go get it for a hundred dollars yeah I did some of that too I definitely did some of that too I feel like I feel bad but it's you know one of my one of my friends was was moving and like he he literally he was he was just going to give me all of this stuff like a rogue like a nice rogue Olympic Olympic barbell and then you know a couple hundred pounds of bumper a bumper plates because he's like I don't use it it's been it's been three years I don't use it it just sits in my it just sit in my garage she's like I don't use it just take it and I was like I got to give you something for it like you're giving me you're giving me like 700 dollars worth of equipment like I have to give you something for it but then I started doing the same thing like I got a spin bike right like to and not a not a like high-end spin bike but I was just like I need something you know you know winter and winter and boyzies you know not diss similar from winter in the twin cities right you you don't want to be outside when it's you know 20 degrees out or less you know unless you're really geared up yeah prepped for it so I was like I certainly don't want to be riding a bike when it's that cold out so it's like yeah I'm going to get a spin bike and just throw it in my throw it in my utility room so I can do some cardio on my on my off days and I was did the same thing just check Facebook marketplace checked over and over and over and finally I found somebody was like a hundred bucks and I was like oh that's like a four hundred dollar spin bike you know and I just grabbed it you know and then like one day I'm like you know wheel and a spin bike into the house and my wife is like what is that like oh I got I got I got I got a I got a spin bike here here you go yeah going in the basement yeah I definitely was driving my wife crazy a couple but then that's just kind of what you got to do you just got to do that deal it well you could anyway do that do diligence and then when stuff popped up you just had to jump on it and I mean it was the same thing when that set of kettlebells came up we weren't necessarily in the best spot money wise at the moment but I was like you know telling my wife I was like Jessica I'm sorry but we got it it was like a Sunday night and it was raining you know and I was like we got to go get these I'm sorry that's this is just this is what's happening right now so it just makes it makes too much it did and then uh yeah and I got a old older shwin airdine I got it for a hundred bucks it was kind of the same thing you know guy I got a new one and didn't want his old one anymore and so he's like I'm get it I was like hell yeah and so that's been yeah it's been it's been fun building the garage gym which now it doesn't look anything like it used to now it's just horse mats and kettlebells you know I still have I've made several half half squat racks and so I have the squat rack I made that I put up for sale that nobody well I kind of missed the boat with the pandemic on those I sold I sold three of them last summer and then uh those were like the first thing to come back and stock and so I still have one okay don't use and does it like is it like a like a collapsible or is it like I'm when you say a half rack I'm trying to picture it so it's it's like a free standing single tower style I got squat rack you know with a pull-up pull-up bar at the top and it just it just bolts together I like I was saying or I copied one of rogues designs um I just had to use a little bit lighter tubing but I mean you used it for inspiration a fish officially it was just the design was an inspiration yes yes I definitely didn't follow all of the dimensions that they post on their website yeah you know just figured it out on my own uh but the the first big rack I made that had a cool attachments I sold it this powerlifter last April and uh that was actually a pretty funny story because I it was all welded together and uh I have 10 foot ceilings in my garage you know and so nice you know it's eight feet tall four foot by four foot by four foot and me my little brother just laid it over put it in a trailer and drove it out to this dude and then he calls me the next day and he's like man I can't stand this up in my garage because it's it's you know my ceilings are too short yeah it's getting your money back like I sold a tomb for yeah and I sold the tomb for 1800 bucks and I was like uh no I'll be out there uh I'll be out there on Saturday and we'll cut that thing apart and I'll just weld it back together for yeah and so I went out there put it apart we weld it back together in his garage and then four days later he calls me again and he's like hey can you come out this weekend and cut that squat rack apart and then weld it back together outside because I sold it to somebody so I went out back out there and cut it apart and uh welded it back together and he gave me a hundred bucks and then uh he made some money it was it was pretty funny because he made some big deal with elite FTS so he was getting a super huge discount on a whole bunch of stuff so he didn't need it anyway but nice there's this funny funny little story well so the the other thing the other thing you do in your 10 foot ceilings is uh is the mace training right like you you you do some yeah I'm still pretty new to it and I'm really um trying to take it slow with it you know um so Ryan Kenny um he's rk kb's on instagram he's the one that uh got me into it because he he made some posts um I feel like I've been talking to him about kettlebells for a little while my my brain and timeframes is all messed up I can keep time doesn't time doesn't really exist during the pandemic like I like I'm like oh how long have we lived in this house it's been like a year and a half and my wife's like no it's been three years I'm like the last year and a half doesn't even count in my brain like it didn't didn't happen yeah for sure for sure anyway uh Ryan made some post he was doing some mace wings and he just kind of said something about you know if you have shoulder issues or tricep issues you know doing this can really help and so I started messaging about it because starting mid summer last year my triceps especially my left one were just in knots forever and I'm part of it was I looking back so I always train early in the morning before work um and so I'd train in the morning and then I was doing this project at work where I was running a big drill pre a magnetic base drill so like basically I'd train in the morning and then I go to work and just do like static holds running this drill press down all day yeah and I think that kind of was part of it just kind of did a number on my arms you know because they're all tired from working out and then I'd go just do isometric holds against against mechanical force that's trying to pull up yeah yeah for for you know 10 hours yeah that'll do it but he told me that and so like yeah he was telling me some different things and I'm looking at some stuff online and I was like dude I can make one of those in about 15 minutes and so I I slapped together a couple quick dirty ones you know just kind of machine the end of a bolt and welded it to a pipe and then that way I could put one inch plates on it and um you know he kept giving me training advice and he sent me some videos and we talked and talked and talked and like we're looking at just you know what certain manufacturers provide you know they're all like 300 bucks yeah and I'm sitting there looking at it and like dude I'd have $10 in material into something like that um and so I just told him I was like did he just pay for the shipping and I'll make you one and then I just kind of nerded out on it you know um and he was kind of you know like I don't know can you knurl it and I was like yeah we have stuff to knurl I've never knurled before but I will figure it out and so I you know just like polished it and then I knurled it and then I made this super nice knob and I did all this and that and that's why he's nicknamed it the Caddy Rock like a Cadillac and uh I like it so I got I got him he's he's the OG with the Caddy Rock and after doing that you know I was like dude I can't have him have one like that not and I don't have one that nice and so I made me one and then just throw a different people helping me out I just be like hey you know you've been helping me out I'll make you a mace if you you just got to pay for the shipping and so now I got five of them I've been trying to get put together for the last month or so that I'm uh just sending out to people I'm selling them too yeah it's been cool it's and kind of tying it back to the beginning it did it it did eventually you know I earned my iron my triceps out after it took a little while you know it took five or six weeks but they eventually you know I just kind of woke up one day and I was like hey my tricep doesn't feel like it's trying to rip off the elbow you know it feels pretty good that's cool and it's just a bit of a very good rehab tool for me it is it is great for that and it is great for as an adjunct to kettlebell well kettlebell sport in particular but kettlebell training in general but because we trained so much we trained so much in the frontal and sagittal plane but we don't do a lot in the transverse plane we don't do a lot rotationally um and we we get so much we get so much pattern pattern load in in those those two main planes um and not not nearly enough uh in the rotational so you know it's a great it's a great way to to get that rotational load in and get your shoulders working through that full range of motion uh that they're designed to go through obviously um but it's also the thing that I really like about it um is it's the principles behind it translate so well because it's counterbalance it's it's about offset load and using momentum and channeling momentum and you're not muscling it through the range of motion right like especially when you start you start getting heavier with with the with the mace weight or the or as the mace gets longer right like you know I've got you know I've got my my long plate loadable mace and like five five ten pounds on the end of that a lot of times is is more than enough for me um because you know it generates a lot of force yeah a lot of momentum and uh and you have to you have to be efficient with it and if it gets out of position like I whack myself I whack myself in the ass the other day because I got a little shallow I got a little shallow on my elevation and you know whack my whack myself in the ass in the middle of 100 you know 100 uh 360s each direction uh work out that I was doing and I was like I was like oh shit oh yeah I had to put it down for a bit yeah I remember I was walking around one day and I was like oh my god why does my hamstring hurt so bad and then I was like oh yeah because I clobbered myself with it yesterday the mace that's right so just curious how long is your long one uh well it's the shoulder rock by uh kabuki strength which I'm sure you're probably familiar with um from your research um so I think yeah I think I think that's uh what like four feet or something like that um I can't I can't remember okay so that's that's that's what we've been making the that's what we've been making the the long caddy is four feet and I've made some other ones that were like 40 inches and that eight inches makes a huge difference at least in my opinion you know yeah just like you said just that little bit longer so much more pork goes into it and yeah you don't need it you don't need a lot of weight and then you know Ryan Kenny he's got videos of him swinging 35 pounds on the end of his four foot one and I'm just like oh my god my I just feel like my shoulders would just come out you know if I put that much weight on it but there was a while when I like I really like when I first got my shoulder rock I was I was you know really really into it you know and uh I think I might yeah it's four feet lying I think 48-48 inches yeah so so four feet long but I was really into it right away and like I so of course like you know any dumbass uh you know former meathead or rehabbed meathead I guess uh you know at the time I was still a meathead so I I was like oh we'll start with we'll start with 10 pounds you know and I you know I got the I kind of got the feel of it you know using using it for for 10 pounds and so then I went up to oh let's do 20 pounds yeah well let's do let's do that I was like how heavy can I go right I was like those and yeah that that that self corrected very quickly because like the the next day I could you know I could barely put on a t-shirt because my shoulders were my shoulders were so far from from doing that work and of course my technique I'm sure I was muscling it you know but uh you know yeah you know you live you live and learn it's it's self-regulating you know like I said so it'll you know very much so it'll help you know but I think I got up to yeah um I think I got up to 15 is the most I've had on mine I still was like ah I'd probably gonna not not do that for a while get a little bit better at it you know I'm gonna look at everything a little bit more used to it and uh it's kind of funny you mentioned that because I sold one a shorter one to a coworker who's a pretty pretty buff dude and it's been kind of hard on his ego a little bit but he can't put a lot a weight on it like he thinks he should be able to you know I wonder could it like this hurts my elbow and I was like yeah it's because you got too much weight on it you got to you know your body has to adjust the yeah pulling and the change in the specific adaptation stuff specific adaptation to impose demands it's very important yeah so I could I'm curious have you seen Indian have you seen Indian clubs you know Indian clubs yeah I'm wondering could could you could you make could you make a plate could you make a plate loadable Indian club yeah I think so because what I mean those are what like a foot and a half or so I you know depending on how long they aren't I'm just now my brain now my brain I'm just turning yeah I mean I don't know enough about those to know of the weight plate being on the end would be an issue you know being wide um but I've definitely thought about you know because through this with me making the maces because I'm not a machinist but I've been you know getting practice running the lades messing around making this stuff and so I've had had it in my brain to maybe get a piece of shafting and just turn it down into a an Indian club but I haven't had the time yet to do that because I've been busy doing other stuff well yeah lately making the maces and then I also make those neuro grip push-up handles which is another one you know like yeah they're I don't know I don't even know dragon's door has any in stock they didn't for a long time but I'm looking at those and they want you know forty bucks plus shipping and I'm like that's definitely something I can make in about five minutes you know and so it's pretty cool here in my neighborhood like my little street in the four out of the five houses all us dads are roughly around the same age and we're all into fitness one way or the other and so around Christmas time I made a whole pile in neuro grips and so now everybody on the streets got a pair but they get to hurt themselves with so that's been pretty cool and I think you know I'm gonna I gotta make some more because I think I'm gonna depending on who I'm sending the maces to that doesn't have any I'll probably just throw a pair of them in with the mace you know just because they're that was one of the more eye-opening strength training tools I've ran into in the last I mean this whole last year is it's been eye-opening about different things that you know all the all stuff you don't see at the gym but just I've gotten the best results ever you know doing kettlebell sports style stuff way better results than I ever got you know bench pressing well the thing the thing that most people most people won't tell you about bodybuilding is it's it's a lot of fun to lift like a bodybuilder but eating like a body builder sucks and that's what gets them most of their results yeah well that was kind of the eye opener for me you know I'm six two so I've always you know been I don't remember being under 200 pounds but here two years ago before I started getting into crossfit style stuff I was listening to all these bodybuilding podcasts and they always talk oh yeah nobody eats enough nobody eats enough well I can tell you I can eat too much you know like I wasn't putting the muscle on but I was getting fast you know I mean I'm not like crazy but I got up to 260 and I went up these stairs at work and I was like huffing a puffing at the top and I was like okay I think we need to reevaluate what we're doing here yeah as you don't number one I wasn't getting the results from the style of training I was doing then I wanted and you know and it just it just wasn't working and then I started doing like I said the crossfit style stuff and I actually started to see some changes you know just kind of getting that more high intensity stuff you know like burpees like yeah I know I know this is it weirds people I actually like them now I kind of feel like they're one thing I can attribute to my lower back being in pretty good shape I don't know if it's just in my head I feel like something about them you know when you have to launch the knees back up towards your chest I best that you know curve in your back like that I feel like it helps me there's some physiological reasons there I can I could I could think of so yeah there's yeah when they're done properly they're not they're not awful they're just I just said that because they suck I mean I was like the thing when I first started working with Levi like that first week you know like I signed up with him and I'm kind of like you know oh man because I've been kind of copying what he did anyway for a while yeah but I was only doing like these little 20-minute workouts you know it'll be stuff like you know five burpees on the minute for 20 minutes or whatever you know you get nice and sweaty yeah that's that was good and then one of the first days of his programming and had two sets of 20 burpees at the end I was like I've never done 20 burpees ago so this this will be interesting and then throughout he's he's mixed stuff up at this point but at one point you know I was doing one set of 45 burpees at the end of the workout and I was like you know super hard but it was also one of those things that was pretty cool you know I'd be able to do 45 burpees in a row not not too bad I mean I know some people can do a lot more than that but I was pretty happy with that I feel like as a finish as a finisher though that's like that's a you know that's that's a non trivial amount of burpees at the end of a workout yeah it was always like oh god don't don't don't look at the clock just just kind of keep going and then it'll be over it'll be over at some point until you until you're like shit how many was that no yes that's the worst I think I was still half the time just being like all right I'm gonna do them for four minutes and then wow ever many happened is how many happened and just call it at that point that's fair that's a fair approach yeah so we so we can I think we can we can officially say that Cambron custom fabrication is going to be a sponsor of the of the open because you you graciously offered to to fabricate a custom got a mace a plate loadable mace for for for somebody at the comp from the competition not at the competition obviously won't do it there but you know with that was unprompted by the way I didn't even solicit him for I didn't even solicit him to do this he just volunteer it which is super super cool so so thank you thank you very much for that I really appreciate it yeah absolutely man I think that'd be yeah I'm stoked um I'll try to I'll try to have two at least to give away if that works um it's it's your that's that's up to you man I yeah I'm just gonna I'm just gonna do prayer hands and say thank you like that's that's fantastic yeah no yeah I'm happy to do it you know like it's like I said it's been making them no one you know especially knowing that people are interested in it and they want to use them it that's one of the things that really makes me happy about what I when I get to do um and it's just such a funny thing you know like I've been working with steel for over half my life at this point you know and I just see so many different things you know in the fitness world or like oh yeah you know I made you know you can buy this from us for this X amount of dollars and I'm looking at it I like do that's that's not we can do that way cheaper than that you know so I just I have access to the stuff to do it you know and I have the skills to do it and so it's this makes me happy to be able to do it to make things for people to use and you know and have them get get something out of it no that makes me happy well that is awesome that's that's very gracious of you I very much appreciate it I'm I'm stoked to I'm stoked to meet you in person I'm stoked to see you do your first competition I'm honored that it's gonna be at my competition so I'm really I'm really excited about that I do you have a do you have a a goal in mind as far as a number an output or you just like just finish the time or you know what's your approach when coming into it at this point I'm mostly just focused on the time frame but I mean I'd love to get at least I think a hundred would be cool I think that might be asking a lot for the first time but I don't know you know the 20s you know compared to like 24s or something I know they're you know a lot easier to move so I would hope for at least 80 I think if I got less than 80 I'd be bummed but finishing the time at this point is my main goal main focus so I'm sure as we get closer I'll have a rep rep idea in mind but yeah you know you still got four months of leave by building your capacity and beat you know and beat you beaten you down and building you up and beaten you down and building you up and you know you know he'll make sure that you're peaking you're peaking at the right time and you know he'll probably he'll probably give you a fairly good idea what you can expect that he knows he knows what he's doing I think he will yeah he's he's very honest very fair so I'm sure he will we'll know we'll know what we're looking at before the contest I'm sure well that's awesome so I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap because I'm gonna be respectful of your time and I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the the kuda guy kuda grad question that I love to give everybody but it's a little different for you because you're this is your first year so now it's you can say what is the most valuable lesson that you've learned in your first year doing kettlebell sport that that you would pass on to a new lifter um you know um I think it I know we it's always kind of the same answer but I guess I'd try to tell somebody to really just you know not not sweat the loading you know and just focus on performance I guess because I think that's kind of where I've gotten the most results you know um when you say performance you mean the the technical the technical performance or yeah yeah I guess like reps in time you know I think you know in my my opinion I think that's been more valuable for me it's not focus on like you know oh I did the 28s for three reps that's not as important as doing you know the 20s for two minutes you know so I think that's especially in the sport aspect I think for what I've experienced anyway that that seems to hold more carry over you know because it's not it's not powerlifting right you know I think it's good to get under the heavier loads you know so you kind of get a feel for it but I think performance wise you know you perfect do what you can I don't everyone always says to perfect you know perfect the clean or whatever before you do something else but I don't think anybody's got that I don't anyway I can't just I couldn't have just sat there and cleaned until I had it perfectly before I started snatching you know and anybody anybody that anybody that has actually done this sport will tell you it's never perfect so yeah that's a that's a fool's assignment right like don't don't move don't move on to the snatch until you've perfected the clean okay then you're never going to do anything but clean for the rest of your life yeah that's definitely perfect yeah that's what I always tell when people said that I was like how to how who would do that I don't know anybody that do that but I guess to clean it up I'd say you know listen to people and focus on how well you do not how heavy you do I guess that makes any sense yeah no that that makes that makes a lot of sense that makes a lot of sense and then that is a good lesson and then of course always listen listen to those who've been doing it longer you know that's what I've been really trying to do and I know that's kind of a as we get older something that you can really appreciate versus being young and knowing everything yeah oh I know I know I'll show you I'll show you you don't know what I can do right the the fun of youth yeah for sure well Nathan thank you so much for taking the time to come on and really appreciate it and thank you again for for the the sponsorship we really really appreciate it I'm I'm very excited you do you have a logo for do you have a logo for your fabrication equipment no no not yet but I just I just did start an Instagram handle it's Cambron Customs is the name on Instagram and I'll uh I haven't got anything more official than that going yet but I that's where I will post stuff and I've been posting um and that's where I'm to start I'm started to post any like training videos is where I'm to put them nice and then uh I'm also I'm also trying to get videos up of me making the maces different different steps in the process so other people can see you know kind of how it's done um and hopefully I'm doing the videos in a way that makes sense to people that are not familiar with how that machinery works but I've gotten pretty good feedback from everybody that that gets pretty cool to see yeah just I just started I got the prompt from uh from the the Instagram today to to follow to follow that uh you camera oh custom customs and I was like I was like oh I didn't know he had another profile and then I started started checking it out I was like oh this is cool this is new so I'm I'm excited to see that man that's that's awesome yeah I think that'll be very cool I'd love to see how it's I love I love to see how things are made you know I love to see craftsmen uh you know executing their craft it's very very cool to me so I'm yeah very very excited to see that man so thank you right on well cool man um but and yeah I'll uh I'll keep I'll keep it going for sure and uh I think I remember I started it last week I think it's finally there's like you know I got 900 kettlebell videos on my phone that I needed to delete so I should probably find somewhere that's where real man I've got I've got a google drive that's like basically nothing but kettlebell you know so I understand the struggle is real for sure although it has been kind of cool to go back you know looking at videos from last summer you know when I was like oh god uh form you know super stiff and just yeah so yeah that that part of it's cool but I also wanted to delete those videos don't though don't do it don't do it because you'll look back you'll look back years from now you'll be like oh my god look at how far I've come and then you'll still look at your new videos and you'll be like oh not good not not there yet but yeah it's still great to see how far you've come because it just reminds you like you just you know it's a it's a continual process just keep putting in the reps you keep getting a little bit better you know mastery of craft takes time and reps you know that as well as anybody from to spending the time fabricating so you know it's the same the same process just you know in a different different direction so and I got to say that's one of the things that's also really appealed to me about kettlebell sport you know is that it's I mean sure there's gonna be natural athletes that are really good at it but I feel like it's also something that anybody that was guys right like it's also seems to be like something that you know if you put in the work and you practice you know you practice you will get better I mean I don't really I can see peaking at some point but I don't see you ever like you know I don't if you keep at it I don't see your technique ever falling off you know it doesn't feel like something that that would happen to me like it's uh you know like playing the guitar or something like once you learn the proper way to do it you know it sticks in there and it just gets better and better and better and that's that's definitely more my wheelhouse than just brute strength through athleticism so that's one of those are young those are young man's games fuck that I'm I'm getting older so I'm I'm not gonna play those young man's game like strong man and power lifting and you know those you know I only got so much so I'm gonna yeah I'm just gonna focus on the on the technique and I'm gonna ask if I get stronger great but if I can just maintain the strength that I have until they put me in the ground that's my that's my goal right on that sounds like a plan man I like it sounds good to me all right brother thank you very much you go take care of your babies and I'll go check in online and we'll we'll get some sleep and keep keep getting after it man I look forward to look forward to meeting you and look forward to seeing you on the platform all right man thank you so much this has been a this has been a blast Jordan and I look forward to meet you too all right thank you Nathan have a good night yep you too bye bye thanks for listening to this episode of the platform podcast I'm Jordan Kuneerite we'll be back with a new episode for you next week please don't forget to register for the Twin Cities kettlebell open on our website Twin Cities kettlebell club dot com and if you have a question or a suggestion please email me at Twin Cities kettlebell club at gmail dot com and don't forget to follow us on social media at Twin Cities kettlebell club and if you want to step under the platform and competing kettlebell sport please reach out to me until next time