Dr. Sarah Summers Act 2 | Twin Cities Kettlebell Open De-Brief

All right, welcome into the platform podcast where we talk to coaches, athletes, experts, and real people to learn about their approaches to training, nutrition, mindset, and much more. I'm your host, Jordan Kunde-Wright, founder and head coach of the Twin Cities Catabell Club, and I'm on a mission to help others build sustainable, healthy lifestyles. This week, after intermission, we bring back Dr......... Sarah Summers for act two of our conversation around the Twin Cities Catabell Open. In this episode, we really deep dive on the open itself and some of the amazing performances that we saw there, and the people that we really thought just did an incredible job. I hope you enjoy it, and I hope that this episode makes you want to sign up for the 2022 Twin Cities Catabell Open, which I have confirmed is on the IKO calendar for October 22nd of 2022, so it will always be the fourth weekend of October in perpetuity. So you can put it on your calendars, and I will let you know as soon as the registration site is open, and for people that registered for the inaugural Twin Cities Catabell Open, they will get a special discount code. Sorry, for newbies, but that is a loyalty discount that I'm going to give to people that have been with me from the beginning. So I'm very excited about that, and cannot wait to get that site live, and I'm really excited to host this event again. It really was a great event, and thank you so much to everyone who came out, who competed, who submitted video submissions, and thank you to all of our sponsors, Belivator Belts, Barefoot Acthletics shoes, Pro Catabell, 27 degrees of parallel camera costums, goodbye nutrition. Thank you all for your support, and thank you to you, the listeners for your support. The best way that you could support me further is to go ahead and leave me a five star rating and review if you haven't already on your app of choice, and of course support my work by supporting the sponsors, who's affiliate links you'll find in the episode notes. And of course, if you want to step onto the platform and compete in Catabell Sport, or you need help with your nutrition, reach out to me. I help athletes of all levels reach their goals without wasting time using my integrated coaching approach. You can of course follow me on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube at Twin Cities Catabell Club, or email me at Twin Cities Catabell Club at gmail.com. Now, without further ado, let's step back onto the platform with Dr......... Sarah Summers. Right, welcome into another episode of the platform podcast with my guest, Dr......... Sarah Summers. Coming back for another episode, although your original episode hasn't even released yet. So people don't even know that you're on another episode that we recorded. So this is like a before and after. Like this is this is a before and after we'll see. Did we come out better on the other side of the 2021 the inaugural 2021 Twin Cities Catabell Open? So Sarah, thank you. Thank you for coming back and joining me again. My pleasure, my pleasure. So we we didn't get a chance to talk about enough Catabell Sport because spoiler alert. We just needed to nerd out with each other. Yeah, I was actually explaining I was explaining to my wife before I came down through a court. She's like, she was like, wait, who Sarah is like, well, it's Dr......... Sarah and there's two of them. We have two Dr......... Sarah's as we learned this weekend. And then I was like, but this is the Sarah from Canada who you haven't met. But but we yes, but we we're both nerds about Sarah Trek and Sarah Wars and Catabell Sport and musical theater. It's like so we have a lot to talk about. Yeah, we do. We do. So I brought Sarah on. We can say this is the first recording post competition. It is now the 25th of October. So we had the competition on Sarah, the after party on Sarah night and into Sunday morning. Yeah, the off the offload home on on Sunday. And we're tallying results in I'm still I'm still judging video submissions as are some of some of the judges. So we don't have official results yet, but I think we can what would you call would you call the event to success. Oh, hell yeah. It was amazing Jordan. You did such a great job. It was it was quite it was quite a lot of fun. It was quite a lot of fun. It was it was also for me, a little bit of a shit show in the morning. I you know, I was running around. Sarah's totally helped you out with it. It's a good thing I had back your series to delegate technology issues too. So one of one of the things that one of the things that came up was, you know, because because the athlete lab had classes going on in the morning. And they had a they had a new tenant moving into their building. We couldn't set we couldn't set up the night before the competition. So we were literally setting up the morning of the morning of the competition and like an idiot. I didn't test my equipment at home. I didn't I didn't set up and do a dry run of my equipment at home before going to the gym. And so I was only to then learn when I got to the gym that I couldn't make one of my monitors work, which one of the monitors was going to be used to count reps and run a clock for one of the two platforms. And so I was spending an inordinate amount of time trying to get it working. Unfortunately, Sarah, Summers, Dr......... Sarah Summers said, I'm good at these types of things. Why don't you let me handle this. And then she conscripted Dr......... Sarah for narrow as well. And so the Sarah's handled it. The doctor Sarah's handled it and allowed me to go focus on some other things like reinforcing my platform, which I thought was going to be sturdy enough until I saw your husband. I was going to do a mock jerk rep on it. And then I realized that that was had too much flex in it. It needed a it needed an eye beam in the middle of it. Yeah, I'm happy to step in to prevent any kind of platform disasters. Especially because that was the platform I ended up lifting on. So I'm very happy that, you know, I didn't crash through right, you know, didn't fall off, you know, all of that fun stuff. So yeah. This is this is one of those things I'm a little I'm a little ashamed to admit that the as someone who is very much an amateur at making things. The old adage of right like measure twice cut once is definitely a thing that you should follow because I got I got lazy when I was making the two platforms and I just I just assumed that the frames were the same size. And I took the the reinforcement beam from the middle from the first platform that I had cut and use that as instead of just measuring the internal width of my second platform and cutting my board that I had to that width. I use the other board and I use that as my marker. Well, they're not identical in their in their width. So it ended up being a little bit too short. And that means that it doesn't serve the purpose of actually reinforcing the structure. And so I didn't have a reinforcement beam on one of the platforms and I was like, it's three quarter inch thick MDF plywood like it'll be fine. It's one AM. I'm tired. I've already been to the home depot six times in their clothes. So I'm not I'm not I wasn't actually there six times. I actually was only there once, but I was like, I'm not going back to the home depot. I did I did go to my local hardware store twice, but that's neither here nor there. But I was like, that was that was a disaster of my own making, but you know, it's all of these all these little these little things. Yeah, which like I'm very impressed that you made your own platform. Very impressed. And thank goodness you have some extra twins to the kettlebell stickers laying around your platform as well. Don't think I didn't notice that. Yeah, I ordered those. Those weren't just laying around. I actually did order those for that purpose. Yeah. But I didn't I couldn't find my stencils. So I had to freehand the platform numbers on there because because somebody was like, which one's platform one? I'm like, shit, I forgot about the stenciling the numbers on them because yeah, again, I finished it like 1 a.m. on like Thursday or whatever. So yeah. And with those that you've never noticed, if you haven't seen Jordan's Instagram, he has stenciled the bell weight on every single one of his bells, which we saw at the competition. So yes. They all have stickers on them too. They all have the they all have the dragon, the order borrows dragon on them. So yes, I am festities about about those things. I find it, I find it helpful. You claim them. You officially claim them so that, you know, in the event that you ever had a kettlebell competition, there was no if answer, but what? So it is it is helpful because there were some people that did bring their own bells because I had asked people to bring to bring bells. If they want it, you know, some people that asked me if they could and I said, yes, of course, and then, and then I had asked some people that were local, like, hey, bring some extra 20s and extra 24 like weights that I know are fairly common for people to compete. Okay, it's helpful to have extra ones around. Well, having that little sticker on there makes it pretty clear that which ones are mine as opposed to, you know, who's 24 kilo kettlebell kings kettlebell is this? I don't know. That's well, those ones are mine because they've got my sticker. Yeah, I mean, like it's super helpful because we've had we've brought our bells to competitions before to help out and they accidentally max 20s ended up in gender gender for hit and burgers make it happen. In St. Catharines, we had to like drive back and say 45 minutes later, you know, 45 minutes to grab it. But, you know, like, there was just a little like initial at the top of the bell. We do it is much more effective. I thank you. I can't take full credit for that. I have to I do have to say that Aaron Viviel from Texas kettlebell Academy always stencils always stencils the weight the weights on his bells and he always puts the logo on his bells and I copied that from him. Because I was like, I was like, oh, that's a good idea because that does make it easy. Like, you know, especially as the collection grows and you're like, wait, is that a yellow one with a black stripe or not? Well, the stripe has been sanded off because people are, you know, prepping handles and BTW, this is total sidebar, but I'm not sure that the chalk will ever come off of my 28 kgs because Dr........s. The kettlebell himself chalked that one and there was like, I was like, oh my God, this is, this isn't an amazing chalk. Well, I mean, shout out to Eric for chalking my bells on several occasions. So he talked to my bell for snap two years, two and a half years ago at Canadian nationals. It still has that chalk on it, doesn't it? Yeah, well, I mean, it's still in Ottawa, but you know, whatever, it's still not off. And then he did it for me again on Sarah, which I totally appreciate. And also shout out to their for narrow and Audrey for bringing their own bells for flying in their own bells from their respective locations. Yeah, well, so okay, so that that's a professional segue. Thank you. Let's talk about some of the some of the things that happened, not just my not just my frantic running around like a crazy sweaty walrus trying to get everything going. It's not a competition. If you have remembered everything, like something else would have happened. If you hadn't had those couple of love ups at the beginning, it happens. That's why you still get everyone. The competition started at 130 team Roto struck with their at nine forty five do help set up. It started it. It started it. It started at one. One o'clock, first bells up at one and we did start on time, but we would not have started on time without team Roto struck and without all of the people who were there being willing to lend a hand. I must have had a dozen people asked me, like, what can I do? How can I help right? Yeah, there wasn't just us like a lot of people showed up early to help out. Was it was just like exuding the aura of like this person is stressed out and might need help? Well, I mean, if you've been to a competition before, you know, it's really difficult when you have to set up the morning of. So the more hands the better. Yeah. Yeah, ideally I would have said like I would have I would have been set up and done a dry run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or yesterday. Yesterday. Yesterday. Yesterday. Yesterday. The competition just happened the day before the comp like that's how I like to do things is like have everything stage set and have done a dry done a dry run of all the technology and everything ahead of time. But, you know, you know, you know, you make it work. You make it work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Anything at home. And the athlete lab was great. Like Kate was great. She gave us the run. She gave us the run of the place. Like all the equipment was, you know, she was like using anything that's here. You know, she, you know, they're fantastic. And then they helped us clean up our our chalk disaster. Like it was like not chalk more over in the one over in the one corner because I had set up the chalking station like right by the garage door. Because I was like, we'll just be able to leaf blower the extra chalk out and it'll be nice and easy. There was a tarp down and everything. But then then there was people unloading equipment at the at the back door, which we didn't know about neither did Kate. So she was she was like, I didn't know they were. They were going over there. So, you know, say, lovey, it is what it is. But anyways, getting back to kettlebells. Can we get back to kettlebells? Yeah. So who, who do you think had the performance of the day go? I'm putting you on the spot. I'm making you call that performance of the day. So there were, I'm going to say a couple. I'm going to give three. My top three performances of the day. All right. I like number one Carter Barry PR double thirty tube biathlon. He rock the shit out of that set. 141 jerks. Yes. Like that was just and I know you didn't even have access to kettlebells for about nine months of the pandemic. So the fact that he came back and was able to put up that kind of those numbers are just unbelievable. Great job Carter. Yeah. Like the test pound at the end. It was totally like you deserved to do that. Yeah. MSIC master sporting international class numbers on his bioffle on score. So it was 141 on the jerk and 137 on the snatch, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Just just a crazy, crazy good score. Okay. Carter Barry number one. Okay. Got it. Okay. Okay. Um, number, well, I'm going to put number two as a tie. And so Andrea, the boy and Steven riddle completing 10 minute tracks. Oh, no, no, I'm not letting you, I'm not letting you be Switzerland here. Because those two have their, those two have their, their friendly rivalry. Um, I'm not, I mean, Andrea totally kicked these butt. I am going to invest that. Don't Andrea. You've had a sort of drink to Andrea that night. He did. He did. I loved that. That was, that was a great. Yeah. That was a great, but whoever, whoever, whoever won the coefficient, whoever won the coefficient score, not only won the cash. But the, but the loser, but the loser had to, had to be the other person's bartender at the after party for the entire duration of the evening. Yeah. Which ended up being longer than anticipated. Okay. So, so tie. So we'll say two A and two B are Andrea LaVoy and Steven. Yeah. For completing a 10 minute triathlon. Yeah. Yeah. Steve did a 10 minute triathlon with the 24s and Andrea did a 10 minute triathlon with the 20s. Um, and spoiler alert, Andrea is probably going to win the top overall coefficient of, of the, of the meat. Um, there's nobody that there's nobody that's doing a video submission that hasn't been great. That's going to take it away. So. Yeah. And then they still didn't really have the end, too. Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. Yeah. Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. These. These. Be sure. Summers three. Summers three was Amanda Zoltz getting her first BMS at her first in person competition. She had 182 routes 16 kg snatch. It was like. Yeah. I think it was. I think it was. I think it was 181. 181. Yes. 181. Sorry. I've been staring at a spreadsheet all day. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 181, which was like a 42 rat. 43. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. Yeah. It was just like she just killed the shit out of that bell. Like it was just amazing. Um, And just to see her like develop so quickly is just some complete joy to watch and. Sure. If you follow her Instagram, there is a video of Andrea and I just like attacking her on the platform at the end of her set. Because we were just like, we were screaming the last minute at her. Like, don't put it down. Like it was just a total joy. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was awesome. It was awesome. And you, you had a pretty, you had a pretty decent, a pretty decent set there too, I think. Uh, you're, you're long, you're long side, you're long cycle set. I was your judge. So I was, I was completely silent. The entire 10 minutes because Sarah, Sarah's fixation was perfect. Her technique was perfect. And, uh, she, she doesn't like it when people talk anyways. And what, just to prove that I can't shut up for 10 minutes, I, I judged your set about saying a word once the clock started. Yeah. Yeah. To qualify that, I don't mind the casual cheering is I don't like my judges like counting every single rep at my face. And just like, let me do that. It's like, I just need to get lost in the form and the movements and. The only time I ever count reps as a judge is if the clock goes down. That's the only time I will ever, I will ever give like, honestly, like, how I judged you is how I judge everyone, which I, which is I am completely silent until I need to speak. I honestly go into like almost a robotic mode where it's like I, like, I, I honestly, I was looking at feet knees, ankles, fixation like on every single rep. Like that's what I'm, that's what I'm, that's what I'm looking at every, every single time. And I, like, I don't even, uh, I don't know, it's weird. I talk, I toggle to this, like, dispassionate. I try and be as dispassionate as possible and just evaluate the bells and the positions of the joints because, um, you know, otherwise bias creeps in and you know, like, yeah. Or you lose focus because you're paying attention to the, you know, the, the, the set and getting caught up in the emotion. But I'm just, I was just, I was just judging. But what, what was your final number? 112. 114. 114. Level 12, uh, two or a month cycle with the new probe kettlebells. How'd you like those? Oh my god. They're so amazing. I, uh, I, if no one seen me in person, I am a five three. I've got short legs. And I have done the, I have to spread my legs so wide to effectively clean bells through my leg to the point where I'm even leaning on the outside of my foot sometimes on top of everything. Partially the cause of my knee injury and, uh, to have bells like I didn't have to have a super wide uncomfortable stand. And I looked back on the video too. I could have brought my legs and even closer. But I think it was just used to the wider stands. Yeah. Um, you, you definitely were narrower than you are with the larger bells, though. Like I've seen enough of your sets to know that, that you were definitely closer together than you normally are. Yeah. You looked, you looked more comfortable because you weren't putting the pressure on that knee. Like, you looked super, super comfortable. Yeah. I just felt like I got more power out of my jerk, uh, Nathan, uh, Cameron made the comments that like he kept hearing me stomping my feet. You're carrying the platform. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to make that a verb now, by the way. A car, we're Carter bear. Yes. That was Carter bearing the platform. We just say, we're just cardering. We're cardering. We're cardering. Yeah. There we go. We're cardering. He's, he's, he should be a one name athlete, right? Yeah. For sure, Carter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I felt like I got a little extra pop out of the jerk. And just I thought of, you know, a little bit more balanced on the, the platform. Nice. So, yeah. And they just felt really good to you. Please go to their Instagram and just like check out the look of it that they have plot services where you hold it in rack where it means against your form. And so it was just like pop right into rack. Like felt really comfortable. I almost feel like I didn't need to wear my, the risk guards that I normally wear. I probably might have gone without them. Yeah. Although, like you never know how much you're going to sweat. So. Yeah. Well, there's that. There's that factor about that. You don't, but that you don't need them for comfort against impact or against pressure points. Is it, is it huge? That's a huge plus, right? Like then you could go with something thinner to absorb moisture if you need to, right? Which is, which is, I obviously didn't even think about that because I've, I, I haven't worn diapers in a long time as I, as I call them with my, I'm kidding. I used, I used to call them that. I used to tease people about that that like it was only, it was only for, for baby, for baby kettlebell athletes. But then I, but then I thought about it more. And I was like, well, not everybody has like, you know, four inch wide wrists that are like super thick. And so, you know, for some people, they need that cushioning and they need something that makes the, that makes the handle sit a little, a little more comfortable. Yeah, it, it's not just that huge. I have some skin. So sometimes the direct contact with my skin. Like if I, like, I've training someplace else, I forget my wrist guards. I can get like kind of a little bit of a rash on my arms. And the bells, so I've always just had, I started off with the kettle guards and realized I really didn't need the plastic. It's really just some kind of buffer between the bell and my arm. But the rack just, it just sits so comfortably in your arms. And I tried, I used the Actlas, which is the smaller bell, but I also tried, tried the other one. The Apollo, the Apollo, for snatch, I like just on the side, I didn't compute with it, but even the larger one because of that. Especially when I snatched it, it just, you know, when you get that proper insertion, it's a feel even that much better. Well, and you can't, you can get up, you can get up to the 20s, I think, in that smaller size. In the 24s. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. All the competitive weight for women. Yeah. And that's, that's honestly, that's solving a problem in the kettlebell sport community that I think has needed to be solved for a while, which is if you look at Olympic weightlifting, I've said this before on the podcast, you look at a weight, Olympic weightlifting, there's a men's length for the barbell. And there's a women's length, it's 135 millimeters versus 115 millimeters, I believe, from memory serves, right. Like that he's created a smaller size bell that women can use, I think is appropriate because to your point, right. Like being able to pass it through your knees without it without needing to go super wide and having it fit your wrist better. And all of all of those things, I feel like it's going to, it's going to lead to better numbers, safer mechanics for people less injury. Because this sport already has enough injury and at any time you're pushing your limits physically, you're going to get hurt. So like, I'm, I'm, I'm all for any advantage we can get from equipment that allows us to not hurt ourselves. Yeah. Yeah, I actually got my sister into kettlebell during the pandemic and she's even shorter than me. It's a very small five one and it was fine. We just started with one arm long cycle, but you know, she's got a lot of the same endurance and power that I have. Yeah, genetic. And you would be an amazing long cycleer, but she was even shorter like me and she doesn't even, she struggles to get the two bells between her legs. So she focuses a lot on two arm back on, which is fine, which is great. I just think her real strength would be long cycle, but it's been a struggle. And now I see the bells and it would be a really great solution for her. Yeah, I was, I was, I was a big fan of them. And I'm, I'm going to do, I'm going to do like just an initial impressions because I didn't get to lift with a much a size from when I was unboxing them and stuff. And of course, like, you get a new toy, you got to play with it a little bit. So, you know, I did, I did like a, I did like a quick, you know, four minute snatch set, two minutes a hand. And, and that felt really good. And, you know, I did a couple other things. Did some long cycle, but, but I'm going to do like an initial impressions video and just explaining the differences. But also, I think I'm going to do like a long, I'm going to, for the next like 90 days, I'm going to, I'm going to train exclusively with the, with the pro bells and do it and doing a side to side on them. I mean, to, I have to give Nikolai a ton of credit and a huge shout out because he asked nothing from me in regards to, he put no pressure on me. He didn't ask me, he didn't ask me for anything in return. You know, and when I told him that, that like, you know, hand pro, I'm going to have cat about kings bells there as well. He was like, great, you know, he's like, I welcome the Pepsi challenge. I want people to try, I want people to try him out, you know, you know, so like he, he put no pressure on me. Like, I'm in no way being compensated for, for anything that I've said, you know, which is, which is great. Like he, he's above board, and I'm, I'm above board with it. So I will give people my, my honest thoughts, but my initial impressions were really, really good. I really like him. I think they're comfortable. I think, you know, Bobby, Bobby mentioned that he felt like he could get better insertion on his cleans when I talk to him on the phone because of the shape of the bells. And people are people are like, of course, you changed something on comp day, just to, just to troll Jordan. Just to troll Jordan. And he was like, no, I really, I really did actually, I actually really didn't like the way that felt what it was. Yeah, it was funny. I was talking Amanda and I were trying the bells out the night before. I was like, oh, maybe I like use these for my, my, my, my set. And she goes, don't pull a bobby Sarah. Oh, Bobby, we, we love you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Finally. Yeah. But, you know, you know, I do, I do really like the, I do really like those bells. One thing I actually really liked about him. So from being, I'm not somebody that I'm not somebody that goes to like their, to, to doctor saying, on levels of chalking. like I actually, I actually don't chalk my bells very much like I use very, I use very light chalk. I have sensitive skin too. I have, I have skin that dries out really easily. So it actually like if I use too much chalk, I will actually like my skin will crack. And I'm also in a very Nordic Nordic climate. Right. So that's that's not helpful. But I will use more chalk in the summer. But one thing I liked about the, the, the pro kettlebells is they have that, that impact that impacted finish. So they, they hold chalk really well. But also if you don't want to use chalk, they're actually a little bit coarser so that you can grip them. I think pretty pretty like they're not, they're not rough, but they just have a little bit more of a textured finish that you can, you can get a better grip on them without needing chalks. Act least that was my initial impression with them. So I'm excited to try them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, my, my husband, he's amazing. He always chalks my bells for me because I can do it, but it doesn't, yeah, I'm not worse. I can do it, but they don't stay on for longer sets. They're good for workouts, but not for longer sets. So I asked him, he graciously graciously obliged. But that's usually like a 20, 25 minute job. He literally came back 10 minutes later and he's like, I'm done. I'm like, wait, what? Like the bells like chalk so easily. And the, the chalk level was the same on the bells at the end of the set as it was at the beginning. So yeah. I know that was a big part of the reason for the, for the finish, the way that they have like, I mean, you know, you, you know, Niko is very, very, he's funny, you know, talking about, you know, I asked him, I said, is it kind of is a kind of like, you know, watching watching your kids go out to play for the first time or something, you know, see them on the platform. And he said, actually, it's like, it's like watching your kids play sports for the first time. And you're just like, please don't suck. Like, please don't be able to get them all right. Well, your kids don't suck. Your kids are pretty awesome. So you can tell there was a ton of attention to detail in every, in every, in every detail, which I very much appreciate. Thanks for tuning into this episode of the platform podcast. We'll get back to the interview shortly. I just wanted to say thank you again to all of those who participated in the 2021 Twin Cities kettlebell open. And again, announce that we will be having Twin Cities kettlebell open again next year. Act the athlete lab in Little Canada, Minnesota, on October 22nd, 2022, that is still a Sarah dates just changed because the calendar moved, but it will always be the fourth Sarah and possibly Sunday of October. Every year moving forward. So stay tuned and we will have registration links open soon. I hope to see you there. And without further ado, let's get back into the episode. I know Bobby used them, which Bobby definitely gets like a shout out for an amazing PR in his set as well. That's right of the day. Audrey Carlson, her Bobby Hicks, who, Audrey, my girl Audrey definitely like she looks like she's about to cry on the platform. That girl is tougher than a coffin nail man. She's, she's just hard. She's so, she's so mentally tough. I love it. I'm going back to not talking while you're judging. I just couldn't help hearing her last minute and a half. I was judging her set, but I just, I mean, I just couldn't help it. Like her, her reps were so clean the entire time, even when she was struggling. I was, I was, I was yell, I was yelling my face off for her. She was digging, she was digging deep. And I like, I, I know she was disappointed in the, in the number because she's done. I've, I've obviously, I know what her training cycle has looked like. I've designed her training cycle. I know what she's done. The goal was 71 reps in comp because that's what that's what we've got a rank at the rank that she wanted. And she has consistently hit seven to eight RPMs on the 16s in training. So like, I told her that I, that I honestly thought that she could come out at seven or eight RPMs and probably sustain it for the 10 minutes based on what I had seen in training. I was like, but to the point I made on the, on the, the, before the contest podcast, we're not going to come out too hot. So we came up with a plan that I don't do with, with a lot of athletes. But for people that are more experienced and, and we've practiced it, we were going to do an up down where we do six, seven, six, seven. And then she was going to, and then she was, so it was six, seven, six, because she tends to come out too fast. So I wanted her to start slow. Right. And then, you know, and so, and so we were like, we're going to do an up down and then we're going to check in at halftime. And then we're going to go to seven. And then we'll do a seven eight, seven eight, you know, we had plan A plan B plan C right. But we, but we were going to do this. And I saw that when, when she didn't go back up to seven. And I could see where she was at. Like minute three. I knew how she was feeling. I could tell she was, it was just a tough day for her on how she was feeling. Yeah, probably all the excitement and energy and everything right. Like we always talk about it. Yeah, traveling. Yeah. All of that. But I like, I knew like minute three, minute four, she was already suffering. She was already suffering. Like that, that early in the set, she was suffering. And, and she just grinded it out. And she finished the whole time. Yeah. And like, she, she fought for every rep she could get out of her body out of her body. And you know, and it was, it was fantastic. It was, it really was, it really was a great, great fight. And Bobby, too. Like Bobby had, yeah, had an awesome set. And his, his, his, his collapsed at the end. Like he, like, I mean, like after this was after the time had expired. Like he, he gave everything he had because he was, he was starting to see spots. He said he was, he was getting to the point where he was like close to that pass out, you know, pass out on the platform thing right now. And I, and I was judging Bobby, I was judging Bobby's set. So I couldn't, I couldn't cheer him on or anything. I couldn't, I couldn't coach him at all during, you know, during during the set. So that was, you know, that was, that was a little, that was a little tricky. But the person I had, I had planned to have him judge, you know, couldn't make, couldn't make the trip. So I had to, I had to step in, you know, but, he thought, he fought so hard. And his, his technique has gotten so much better even since we're all struck. And he's done, you can tell he's done a ton of work on his cleans. Yeah. And it's, it was, it was very, it was very exciting to see him. And he, him and Audrey had had some just great, great fight. Yes, just the two most exciting conclusions, you know, of the day, like they just, you know, such great. Well, well, if we're not carrying the relays because that, that last, that last relay, that last relay was, was, was some hotness there. That was, yeah, I was like, who could lock out the last rep the fastest? Yeah, as far as, as far as actual 10 minute, you know, competitive sets, like, yeah, that was, it was, it was, it was great. It was great. Yeah. I got, I got to say Nathan, Nathan Cameron, shout out to Nathan, I do get, I do get to see his set live because I was judging on the other platform, but I, I heard, I heard the commotion. He, he was coming out targeting, you know, I think 90 reps or 100 reps, but he, but he, he had 81 reps with on his first comp with the double 20s. Yeah, I think he made rank rank one, I'm gonna check the check the check the spreadsheet. I think he made rank one, you know, he, but he looked, I went back and watched his set. Yeah, he was super smooth, just super smooth, super relaxed, super calm, like, looked so good. He had, he had a really, really good set. So let's see, rank two, he had ranked two. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I, I really did want to use that and I was excited that I lifted next to him, but, you know, it was one of those that I definitely wanted to watch. Oh, yeah, that's who I was judging. He was watching your set. Sorry. I judge so many sets I forget which ones were which and all kind of blurs together at this point. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot different when you're hosting got a lot of things on your mind, but yeah, I'm thinking Nathan for posting your set on Instagram because I really sat down and watched the entire 10 minutes that and you just looked so good so smooth. Your form is just really coming along and I was just super impressed. Yeah. Shout out to Lee, shout out to Levi Markquart, who's his coach shout out to Levi Levi, Levi drove I think three and a half or four hours to come watching compete, which is, which is super cool. Got to meet, got to meet Levi in person. And, you know, as a coach, I'm sure he was, I'm sure he was super proud of it. Yeah, super proud of Nathan too, because his set looked really good. I was super proud of all of my athletes, but I got to give special, I got to give special recognition to, you know, Big Tim his, his, his first competition. And I will say like if we're, if we're giving out like awards, I got to say like the bounce back of the day has to go to Tim because 100%. 100%. Poor, poor guy, you know, listen to your coach because I told you that you're going to be nervous for your first set. He's like, no, no, I'll be fine. I want to go, I want to, I want to get it done and like I'm really excited. And, you know, I'm like, okay, cool. He's like, I don't get nervous for things like this, but as he learned, he said he got more and more nervous, the closer and closer it got. Yeah. And so his, so his long cycle set, he had planned on doing 10 minutes with the 20s. He made it about five minutes because I'm sure when he stepped on the platform, he was probably already in zone two when he stepped on the platform. Yeah. So he was so hype. And then, and then you could tell he was just, he was suffering. He was suffering, you know, right, right away, you could tell he was suffering. So he made it, he made it, he made it about five minutes and put him down and he was so upset. Like he was so upset with how, with how he performed in that first set. Like he took it very, he took it very hard, but because he cares so much, he's put so much effort into it and he wants everybody. He wants everybody to see him do well and he wants to, you know, meet, meet the expectations that he has for himself, you know, so he was super disappointed, but he took a step away. We went for a little, a little stroll and calm down a little bit, talked it out and felt the feelings, which is, which is cool. And, you know, that's part of being an athlete. He, he felt all the feelings and then, and then he came back and he fucking destroyed a five minute. He destroyed a five minute jerk set and then, and then, and then your, your husband was judging him for his snatch set. And, and we did, we did the math and, you know, on, on five minute by Acthalon, he needed, he needed to hit something, he needed to hit like 60 reps or something or 64 reps to get to get rank one on five minute on five minute by Acthalon in snatch. And he's like, I don't, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it. And then he came out and he was like 20, 20, 20 to 22 RPMs, the entire, the entire way. He ended it. I think he ended up hitting like 104 on, on, on his snatch set. And Matt was like, what do you got, what do you got done? He was like, oh yeah, I was, I was sitting there and I was like, I was, I was running the clicker. And I was like, oh, remember, remember when he said that he wasn't going to hit when he wasn't going to hit the 58 reps. And then, yeah, he did that in three minutes. So, he's like, I didn't believe you, I didn't believe you in the first place. But, you know, it's, yeah, yeah. So he, so he, he bounced back. And once he called, once he calmed down, like he did exactly what he does in training, like jerk, he's a fucking pressing monster, like he can press like nobody's business. And even though, even though he hates snatch, he's going to be a biathlon guy, whether he realizes that they're not, I think he does realize it now, because his, his snatch is better than he thinks it is. It just, he doesn't like it yet, because it's, because it's a tricky, tricky fucking list, you know, it never feels good right away. For sure. I didn't like snatch until about six months ago. So I totally get it. I still go through phases with snatch, like, yeah, sometimes when I'm, there are times when I'm like, oh, it's like, I'm hitting the groove. I feel good. I got my rhythm snatch is good. And then I go up a weight. And it's like everything you just learned over the last three months is shit. You can't do that with a 24 kilo bell. You idiot. You got to completely change. So I was like, weird phenomenon of like the heavier I go, the better my form. Yes, we never understood, never understood. But again, like a slight elbow injury just taught me that I need to change my mechanics. I was never that person that could have that attention to detail with snack. I just like, why isn't it just happened? Why does this happen? Honestly, like, I mean, I wasn't the best, like, cleaner or long cycler, but the form came a lot easier to me than snatch ever did. Can I give you a small tip that worked that helped me and it was something that I picked up from Lorna Cliveman? Sure. Embrace your obsessiveness. Yeah, well, I have. I have. It was something about having to get over an injury. And like, I knew I needed to change my form to make my elbow feel better. And once I did a small tweak and it was like, oh, okay, that feels good. That feels different. Oh, 10 more reps. Like, awesome. Okay, let's see what it was just kind of set me off on the obsessive technique. Yeah, the test, the test and iterate every little technique tweak that you can possibly think of. And like, I've actually started writing mine down because that was what I picked up from that was what I picked up from Lorna because she was talking about how she has like a journal of every technique tweak that she has tried. And all of the different things that she's tried because I mean, who better to learn from for snatched and Lorna who's led you to try it and like she's, you know, maximize, maximize her output, you know, well, she would say probably not yet, but, you know, she's probably still working on it. But, you know, like, I loved that, you know, and she said she kept a journal and I was like, oh, that's brilliant. Of course you write down the results of every test that you perform on your on your technique. Like, it just makes, it just makes sense. But how many people actually do? Well, I actually, I'm just like hitting myself over the head. Like, why haven't I done this? I mean, that's what I would do when I was in like writing my dissertation. You know, everything else in my life, I write lists and keep track of things. And why shouldn't I have a journal for snatch as well? I'm doing it for all of my lifts now. Like, I do it for all three lifts that I've got, I've just, I'm going to keep a kettlebell journal. Dear diary. I'm sure your kids draw like a kettlebell. I have so many like kettlebell art things from my kids, like, they're all over my, oh yeah, like, they did, like, what does your dad do? He lifts kettlebells. That's, that's like my master status with them is that I like, I'm a kettlebell lifter. So, you know, that's yeah. Yeah. Okay. What we have to, we also have to mention like Andrea LaVoy. Yeah. Just make, make in 20s. Whatever. You know, just cash. Just a day for Andrea, you know, just a regular day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I got to say as much as I enjoy watching Andrea on the platform, I enjoy watching Andrea at the after party. Even more. That was. I got to, I got to meet, I got to meet Andrea away from the kids and, and with a couple of glasses of wine in there and it was super fun. Yeah. We sang Chris Stapleton together. We danced. We laughed. It was, it was, it was, it was phenomenal. It was phenomenal. Yes. I had, I had so much, I had so much, so much fun. So. Yes. All right. We should probably wrap up soon. Okay. What were your favorite, what were your favorite things from, from the weekend overall? Getting to meet you in person. Oh. Thank you. Well, it's just getting to meet a lot of people in person. This, this, my cat about community has expanded so much over the pandemic, but it's all been virtually. Yeah. Yeah. The Instagram. I have never had so many DM conversations with people on Instagram that I've never met before in my life and over the past 18 months. Um, just getting to meet all these people in person. Like you, like the biggest bare hug at the airport ever. It was like a low boy. That was the best hug ever. It was. That was, that was, that's honestly what it liked. That's, that's going to stay in one of my favorite memories I think of all time. Yeah. So great. Which is like meeting Audrey and like, you know, just bobby for the first time. And bobby is fitted with us in our Airbnb. I had, I had my, I had my magic moment meeting bobby on the beach in, in Florida. Yeah. Yeah. We got to run it, run in slow motion through the sand for an embrace, but you know, that's, that's a, that's a whole other thing. But I got, I got six simultaneous hugs at the Minneapolis airport. Yeah. So it was, it was, it was, it was fantastic. It just, it reinforced so much of what I love about kettlebells for in the community. And we've done what we can with the technology on hand for the past eight months, but it doesn't eat in person. Yeah. And I felt like we all put it in our post and talk about it. But like, this was so much more than just like getting together and listening kettlebells. Yeah. Um, it was, I was in a community about seeing our friends, connection, which had been extremely lacking in our lives. And I, you know, it just a little patched over my heart where I've been broken, you know, past the weekend, once with everything that's gone on. And so it, yeah, there were some like amazing lists. So many TRs, lots of first-hand blisters, just reminding ourselves about the community and which is really what makes Kettlebell Sport phenomenal is yeah we lift heavy stuff for fun and you know we're really strong-ass people but we support each other, we love each other, we're there for each other and we drink together. We drink together, we drink together. We want to be together, we want to be together. So that for me is the best way to go. Oh yeah, my shift in Oliver's is starting soon. Oh my God, if you're ever, ever in the area you've got to go to Oliver's. Oh my God, their food was so phenomenal. Yeah, and they're old-fashioned as well. Yeah, they make a legit old-fashioned, it's a place, it's right by the Acthlete Lab, it's right off 694 and Rice Street here in a little Canada, this short view area and it just so happened to be where we went for dinner on Friday and then I went for breakfast on Sarah before we could go to the Acthlete Lab to set up and then we went for brunch on Sunday and they accommodated our massive ass group of like 19 people on short notice and they make all their food fresh in-house and everything and the GM came up and was like, I'm gonna make you my director of sales because I can't bring in these big groups of people. It was so good. Yeah, the food is very good there. But you know, I think you're absolutely right and I about broke down a few times this weekend. It's one of those things that I think all of us have been going through but I don't think I've really talked a ton about it, like how there have been periods that have been really hard for me where I was really struggling and it's been hard. It's been a hard 18 months and I think we all feel that and there's even, I think honestly we got a little numb to how like we're all kind of like just numb to how worn down we all were until you get that moment of like getting a hug and like singing a song with you in person and being able to hear the harmony and things that you can't do via Zoom like just all of those things and like you know, I think Steve said it is like it was really, it was weird giving Steve a hug and having him say nice to meet you because it was like I feel like we aren't like, like it wasn't nice to meet you because like I already feel like I know him so well like he's like a good friend of mine and yet but it was the first time we'd actually met in person so that was like such a weird thing like reflecting on it but it's just, I don't know, I like I said in my Instagram post like all of the ones after this are gonna be epic like we're gonna have epic, we're gonna have epic events and I'm gonna run it better next year, I'm gonna learn my lessons, I'm gonna write down my lessons from this year and I'm gonna run it better next year and you know, but there will never be another one like this. I mean, God willing, we never go through this again where it's like we're shut down for so long and we're just like so, but to get like to, it felt like it felt like the light breaking through the clouds a little bit, right? Where it was like, it was like okay, like yeah, the human connection is still there and like yeah, yeah, it sucked and it got really hard but like through that we did forge some amazing connections and like all of these people that I felt like I knew really well, like these are my people, right? Like that was, I don't know, it was just awesome. Like I'm smiling so hard, my face hurts. Like it was such a great, great feeling. Like I didn't go to sleep until 3 a.m. on the night of the competition. I'd been up for 23 hours straight and it was like, I was just overjoyed. I was like overflowing with gratitude and joy and bourbon, but you know, it was, it was just, it was just so fun, it was, it was all so fun. It was great. I couldn't, I couldn't have asked for a better first comp. You know, any of my deficiencies aside, I could not have asked for a better first comp and it was, it was so fun to have you guys and to meet you all and especially you and it's been, I don't know, like it's been awesome and you got, and we got to do two podcasts. Now you're the first person I ever got to interview in person for my podcast, which is super cool. So now I've got to decide what order are we going to release these in, I don't know, I think we should, we should probably release them in chronological order, right? Or do we do it out of order? Like we give them the post and then we go back to the beginning and like, I don't know, the first one's not super heavy on kettlebell sport, which is just, we are told to do it with it. My, all of my late and nerdy has been activated. I am completely in there now, so. Yeah, it went pretty deep. It did, it did. Well, we'll figure it out, we'll talk more offline about it, but thank you again for, for making time to come on and suggesting that we do, that we do a post, a post comp recording to talk more about kettlebell sport and a little bit less about musical theater and other. And Sarah Trek and other topics, but I really, I really appreciate it, I, you know, I can always talk to you. So I really, I really appreciate it and thank you for coming on and thank you for bringing the crew and I am hoping that we are launching an invasion of Canada either in May or in August. Depends on where we're going to, we've got Noken Oggins up there I think in May and yeah. Riddle struck 2022 sometime in August. It will be in person. Yeah, yeah, for sure. We're on the planning venue and every August. August is hard for me because I've got, I've got, I've got my daughter's birthday. Then I have my anniversary. Then I have my brother's birthday. Then I have my wife's birthday. Oh, goodness. August is, August is jam packed of special days, but we could probably make it work if it's on the right weekend, but May is my birthday. So I can be like, hey, what I want for my birthday is a trip to Canada to go lift everything with my friends and hang, I haven't been to Canada since I was very, very young. So I think, I think, I think we need to get back up there. So, yes, it's the phenomenal place. That's, that's what they, that's what they tell me. That's what they tell me. I mean, I've only been living here for 10 years. Yeah, you got lured, you got lured up there by Matt. I mean, and not that Matt's not enough of a reason to stay, but there must be some, there must be some other appeal other than just Matt, so. Free healthcare. Oh, yeah, there's that. There's that. And Sarah and Dr......... Chetabull. Yeah, I can break myself with Chetabulls for not to pay anything to fix myself. Yeah, that's, what do you? That must be nice. It turns you into a hypochondriac, though, because you can actually get everything fixed, though. Well, I, I don't know, I, I feel like that's a challenge. Challenge accepted. Yeah. Move to Canada and then be like, I'm like, no, sorry, you got, you got way too many there. Those are what they call them pre those are pre existing conditions. Yeah, those, those pre existed before you, before you immigrated. They would, they would learn, they would learn what pre existing conditions are. Yeah, let's go anyway. All right, thank you, Sarah. It's getting light for you. This is what we do. We end up being like, oh, crap, it's 1 a.m. We should probably go to bed. Oh, crap, it's 2 30 and we're talking in the kitchen. Oh, wait, okay, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. It was fun. It was a blast. It was, it was, it was worth every, every minute, every second. All the effort, it was great. I loved it. So thank you so much and we will talk soon very soon as, as we typically do. I'll see you in the Facebook chat in, you know, seven minutes. Yep, sounds good. Have a good night. Thanks so much for today. Have a good one. Bye. Thanks for listening to this episode of the platform podcast. I'm Jordan Kunde-Wright, right? We'll be back with a new episode next week. Please don't forget to follow us on social media at Twin Cities Kettlebell Club on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube. And of course, if you have a question or suggestion, please email me at Twin Cities Kettlebell Club at gmail.com And don't forget to stay tuned for updates on registration for the 2022 Twin Cities Kettlebell Open on October 22nd. Hope to see you there. Until next time.