Dave Anderka, the Agatsu OG & Kettlebell Coach

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.050 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yes. 2 00:00:02.580 --> 00:00:03.630 Dave - Agatsu OG: got it. 3 00:00:04.370 --> 00:00:12.389 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Alright, M. Mart. Just mind your ears. I've got the volume down on this, but I'm gonna hit the I'm gonna hit the the theme, music here, real, quick. 4 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:44.620 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: alright. Welcome. Into this week's episode of the platform, podcast I am very excited about this one. This one has been a long time in the making. I have my boy Dave and Durka, via Gatsu Og from Ottawa, Canada. 5 00:00:44.620 --> 00:01:06.650 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: He has been a Kettlebell lifter, a Kettlebell sport coach for many, many years, and if you don't know who Dave is, go give him a follow on Instagram. Look him up. He's got all sorts of cool stuff, and he is a wealth of knowledge, and he's one of the few people I can say has been in this Kettlebell sport game longer than I have in in North America. So, Dave, thank you so much for for coming onto the platform. Podcast 6 00:01:06.800 --> 00:01:35.080 Dave - Agatsu OG: hey, Jordan, it's my pleasure. And it's my pleasure to be here. You know. Long time. Listener. Longtime fan first time first time participants. So great to be here. Man, yeah, I've been. I've been threat. I've been threatening to have you on for for way too long. And finally, we're just like, Hey, let's let's actually book a time and make it happen literally happened yesterday. And we're recording today. So I appreciate the flex around the holidays. And I know you've got a competition coming up. So why did you give it a quick plug? 7 00:01:35.170 --> 00:01:45.299 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah, absolutely. So this is our I got to Og winter classic, and we've been running this comp for about 8 years now. 8 00:01:45.430 --> 00:02:00.799 Dave - Agatsu OG: and we kind of sort of settled into the post Christmas time slot for the last few years. But it's been great. We do under Iko. We do. Gs lifting. We do mace lifting as well. 9 00:02:01.110 --> 00:02:07.860 And we just last year, added Pentathlon, and this year are adding half marathon, lifting to it as well. 10 00:02:07.900 --> 00:02:28.489 Dave - Agatsu OG: So we're kind of a little bit of a little bit of a an everything comp where we'll try to get, you know. Encourage all that grassroots lifting that that is so needed by this sport and and also give opportunity to to our professional lifters, or or semi professional lifters and and 11 00:02:28.750 --> 00:02:32.899 Dave - Agatsu OG: and our new sport lifters like like mace like. And 12 00:02:33.100 --> 00:02:53.190 Dave - Agatsu OG: to be fair, Marathon in Canada is a fairly new sport. And so give opportunity to that as well. So yeah, it's gonna be great. We're we're pulling. We're going both in person and online, on January thirteenth, and the 2 days bracketing that January twelfth and January fourteenth for virtual lifting. 13 00:02:53.210 --> 00:03:10.849 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Okay? Cool. So if so, if somebody's here in this podcast. And they wanna sign up. And they're like, I don't wanna, go to Ottawa in January, or it's too short notice to make the trip. They can still sign up and do video submission for any of the events, for any, for any, even for mace or or is it just for Kettlebell sport that that they can do? 14 00:03:11.020 --> 00:03:21.339 Dave - Agatsu OG: It's for for kettle sport for mace? For Pentathlon? We're still trying to figure out the right dynamics of the the the logistics for for Marathon as our our Marathon coaches. 15 00:03:21.340 --> 00:03:45.650 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I've only kinda committed to being present for the in person lift. Yeah, I'll see if we can twist some arms and get them lifting for a or judge. I'll raise my hand. I'll raise my hand for you if you need somebody. If you need somebody to help judge some video concepts, II will raise my hand for you, cause I'm I'm sending one of my one of my guys Greg Anderson was was talking to yesterday, and he was. He was debating between coming in person or or doing a video submission. 16 00:03:45.650 --> 00:03:59.750 I said I would talk to you about it, and see what what the what was, what and I did. I did tell them that no matter what you're going to put on a good competition. It's going to be a good time, and I said there might be some some quality cocktails involved in the in the after party. 17 00:04:00.320 --> 00:04:11.060 Dave - Agatsu OG: I'm not gonna say no distinct possibility that there's to be some some some fine whiskey, some some other cocktails, and some definitely some celebrations happening. 18 00:04:11.130 --> 00:04:30.149 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Awesome, awesome. That's fantastic. Well, II hope you get a huge. I hope you get a huge turnout. Now I do have to ask, though, Ottawa on in January, like what precipitated the decision to, I mean, that's a bold strategy cotton like like, you know. Let's let's see who's really a glutton for punishment. 19 00:04:30.220 --> 00:04:41.569 Dave - Agatsu OG: There's there's a reason we call it the winter classic, right? Ottawa, you know. No 20 00:04:42.010 --> 00:05:08.690 Dave - Agatsu OG: So here's the thing. It it's Ottawa is a great town we've got, you know, full 4 seasons here and and there's lots to see. There's lots to do, but there's lots to see and do through the entire year. Trying to run a comp in the summer, you run in with a lot of stiff competition on this continent. In in this sport, and where you go, and so trying to find and slot a spot in is is kinda tough because you don't wanna have. 21 00:05:08.870 --> 00:05:14.830 Dave - Agatsu OG: You know, a lot of lectures want to either support the constantly know or the people that they know 22 00:05:14.860 --> 00:05:32.159 Dave - Agatsu OG: or they're just gonna try to do as much as possible. And then they're gonna need some doubt, some of that downtime and so we thought, Okay, we're looking around. And you know, right around, Christmas seemed to be where we were falling before. Pre pandemic. 23 00:05:32.230 --> 00:05:56.610 Dave - Agatsu OG: and then through through the pandemic. I don't wanna organize shit, and I'm stuck at home, and I'm just I'm you know. The whole world was feeling a little bit smaller and a little bit you know stir crazy. And so I thought. You know what. Let's wait until after the hassle, like all the the the hustle sorry hustle of Christmas and the the holidays. 24 00:05:56.610 --> 00:06:04.950 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Let's see if we can locate it afterwards. Get it happening afterwards. And 25 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:12.580 Dave - Agatsu OG: and it's been it's been well received that way, you know. I've been running another event. 26 00:06:12.780 --> 00:06:22.149 Dave - Agatsu OG: for the last, probably 12 years, which is where we do a thousand swing swing in for the New Year. And 27 00:06:22.280 --> 00:06:23.770 Dave - Agatsu OG: that kind of 28 00:06:23.890 --> 00:06:42.850 Dave - Agatsu OG: Rev. People up for the Comp. Happening in mid January. So I thought, this is a dynamic that works. So let's get people revved up. We'll get them sort of woken up after their Christmas turkey goose, ham, whatever your your fancy is, and and then get them get them ready and pumped for the for a Comp. In mid January. 29 00:06:43.030 --> 00:07:02.080 Dave - Agatsu OG: Now again, your evaluation of Ottawa in mid January. Not a great time. But you know what it's how better to to find some warmth, and to to lift with friends, to to do a sport and that you're really that you gotta love to do 30 00:07:02.080 --> 00:07:22.220 Dave - Agatsu OG: and and get through. Get through this with the long winter up here. Yeah, for sure. II actually it's one of those II think you and I. Kinda we choose where we live intentionally right? It's like you choose to live there because you like having 4 seasons. And it's one of those things I always explain to people they're like, I can't believe you live there. How do you survive the winter? And I'm like. 31 00:07:22.220 --> 00:07:46.580 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I love the winter I still go out. I still go like like I still do things. I get outside and I do shit. I just. I have winter clothes. I have like I still go ruck. I still go like you just put on heavier layers and like it's like, if you if you embrace it, and you find the things that bring you joy in those different seasons, you know, like, for there's people around here I don't know if it's big up there, but cross country skiing is huge up here, you know, like there's there's a ton of people that that 32 00:07:46.580 --> 00:07:51.619 that's what they do in the wintertime for exercise, or, you know, there's all sorts of things like if you, if you actually 33 00:07:51.660 --> 00:08:18.310 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: embrace it and enjoy it like you, you end up the season. You enjoy all of the seasons, Ben, and it's not a it's not a it's not a detriment. So for me. Personally, I have no pro like I'll go. I'll I'll be happy to come to Ottawa in January if if I could make the travel work right. But it's you know, I think it's I think it's a mindset thing right for for those of us that are acclimated to the winters we're like, II don't like I it's just normal for me like I love it. Well. 34 00:08:18.310 --> 00:08:31.799 Dave - Agatsu OG: being Canadian means that you get tired of things and you like variety. And so I just get tired of summer. And so it's you know what better place to be than have something that has got some variety there? 35 00:08:31.860 --> 00:08:42.040 Dave - Agatsu OG: But yeah, I'm I'm right on the edge of sort of where our city build up kind of happens. And just north of me is a massive wilderness park. 36 00:08:42.059 --> 00:09:02.139 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: with cross country ski trails and trail running trails, and just snow shoeing. Lot of people. Fat biking is huge around here right now. Oh, yeah, whether it's summer fall doesn't matter that. But that's just a description of me on a bike. But I was gonna say, that's sort of me on a bike, right? Hey? Look at that! 37 00:09:02.140 --> 00:09:19.290 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: But big pat tires for people that don't know what we're talking about yet. You take a you take a regular bike, blow up the tires to like, you know, monster truck size, and they can go through anything. It's it's a little bit harder to push them, but they can. They can go through damn near anything. It's it's actually super fun. It's kind of like mountain biking. But in the snow. 38 00:09:19.610 --> 00:09:32.689 Dave - Agatsu OG: right? Right? Right? Right? Yeah. So I mean, we're we're big sports and outdoor area. We're also the type of type of city. Both Ottawa and Gat know that is 39 00:09:32.920 --> 00:09:39.949 Dave - Agatsu OG: If you think of nightlife and partying and all that, you're probably not going to pick Ottawa as your first town 40 00:09:40.010 --> 00:10:04.039 Dave - Agatsu OG: first place to go. But if you go on to think about outdoors and such and real, you know, real good sense of community, and also a city with a little bit of a European vibe to it. It's a great, it's a great spot. And so it's a great spot to to encourage tourism for. And yeah, to get events happening. There's there's lots of events, a lot of event spaces so 41 00:10:04.270 --> 00:10:27.349 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: as well. But 42 00:10:27.350 --> 00:10:34.690 Dave - Agatsu OG: that's all good. Everyone's gonna see it in their own way, and that's kind of what II liked about it more than anything else was that you know you're gonna get 43 00:10:34.690 --> 00:10:39.029 Dave - Agatsu OG: that out of those sorts of things. What you want, what you see. So 44 00:10:39.160 --> 00:11:03.970 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: so so harkening to the the way my brain went with the the og component of of of the Og moniker. You've been in this game a long time, for I know I've known you for for years. For for people that don't know you like. How did you get into this crazy sport, you know. Go go back as far as you want, like, what was your order in story for? For how did you come up? What did you do growing up? What! When did you discover Kettlebells? And 45 00:11:03.970 --> 00:11:11.129 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: like, I'm gonna lift weird, weird, weird, weird, heavy objects for fun. Heavy ass object. Yeah. So 46 00:11:11.130 --> 00:11:16.259 Dave - Agatsu OG: I guess II came to this like so many others, through through martial arts. 47 00:11:16.400 --> 00:11:22.589 Dave - Agatsu OG: right? And I think that there was a big push in the early 2 thousands to get 48 00:11:22.740 --> 00:11:26.110 Dave - Agatsu OG: like. Kettlebells were finding themselves more and more into martial arts clubs. 49 00:11:26.350 --> 00:11:39.469 Dave - Agatsu OG: and that's what I had was was my I'd been training in in traditional Karate and some grappling arts and and such. And my my Sensei at 1 point said. 50 00:11:39.470 --> 00:11:57.450 Dave - Agatsu OG: you gotta try this thing. I don't know anything else that works the same way. And and so you gotta try this thing. It's called it, and he's he was French. So it it kind of came around a Ghetto bell and a and so it was. It had this, you know, and and you know, sort of ears perked up, and then what? 51 00:11:57.940 --> 00:12:06.089 Dave - Agatsu OG: So I tried it a couple of times and didn't like it at all. I thought, this is ass, you know, I feel like I'm gonna throw up and don't want to do this ever again. 52 00:12:06.690 --> 00:12:14.029 Dave - Agatsu OG: But then I started using them more and more. And and I thought, You know, this is really interesting. But there's got to be more to it than what 53 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:26.869 Dave - Agatsu OG: I'm learning from my sense. A. And you know, if you come through the martial arts, there's often a lot of that mentality of, you know, you only need one teacher, one teacher for for the thing, and and you know. 54 00:12:27.140 --> 00:12:28.560 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: so I think it was best. 55 00:12:28.670 --> 00:12:39.320 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yes, exactly, but he really encouraged to sort of go, and and you know, go and explore. And this is who I learn from, and this is, who else is out there, and I ended up 56 00:12:39.750 --> 00:12:44.880 Dave - Agatsu OG: getting a coach in Ottawa who had been a longtime Rkc. Guy 57 00:12:45.140 --> 00:12:51.760 and he was a former army officer and or army sergeant Major rather 58 00:12:52.030 --> 00:12:58.939 Dave - Agatsu OG: or the Canadian equivalent, my apologies, and and so he had that that 59 00:12:59.630 --> 00:13:07.080 Dave - Agatsu OG: regimented ability to to break things down, and to to get people going further and further and further, harder. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go! 60 00:13:07.300 --> 00:13:09.899 Dave - Agatsu OG: And so very quickly I 61 00:13:10.170 --> 00:13:19.139 Dave - Agatsu OG: ended up finding a little bit of a passion for it and my sense. They invited me to start teaching classes at the at the Dojo and 62 00:13:19.970 --> 00:13:22.449 Dave - Agatsu OG: and then fast forward. Well. 63 00:13:22.680 --> 00:13:35.580 Dave - Agatsu OG: and then I ended up pursuing the the Canadian kettle by Kettlebell. you know, father, of of all of the lifters up here Shawn Mosen with a gatsu. 64 00:13:35.760 --> 00:13:57.919 Dave - Agatsu OG: and so in 2,007, I think that's sort of the timeframe we're looking at. I ended up taking one of his one of his certification courses and just loved it, thought this Shawn guy seems crazy enough that I could start learning more from him. And through a Gatsu started learning, you know, seeing 65 00:13:58.150 --> 00:14:05.460 Dave - Agatsu OG: seeing the inklings of like Indian clubs, and and doing a lot of body weight. 66 00:14:05.550 --> 00:14:19.630 Dave - Agatsu OG: not gymnastics based, but and not so only circus based, but sort of an amalgam of, you know. body control. Whether you're using Kettlebell or using a a club or using another person. 67 00:14:20.010 --> 00:14:23.189 Dave - Agatsu OG: You know, has got so much 68 00:14:23.860 --> 00:14:52.459 Dave - Agatsu OG: benefit on how you move around in everyday. That I thought oh, this might be sort of some of the stuff that I might be missing awareness that comes that comes from some of that is really incredible. And I like, I gotta. I gotta give you props where where it's due. When I watch you do some of your crazy fancy Indian Club stuff some of those fan, some of those fancy patterns like, I know that you've rehearsed them a lot, and you've practiced them a lot, but they look so fluid and like being able to move 69 00:14:52.500 --> 00:15:10.009 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: a club, each a club in each hand in different directions, and things like that, like people don't realize, like how hard that is to get your brain to re-pattern that way, and to be able to coordinate that way, and like the value of of that type of kinesthetic and proprioceptive awareness. Just in life 70 00:15:10.010 --> 00:15:28.550 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: is incredible. So like props to you on the, on the Indian Club thing. How how long, how long have you practiced with Indian clubs and Gadha as well. And Gada is just another word for Mace, for Mace that aren't aware. So how long have you guys? How long have you practiced with that? Did that all come together at the same time? Or was it a different journey? 71 00:15:28.550 --> 00:15:32.590 Dave - Agatsu OG: That was a few years later? I know that. 72 00:15:32.670 --> 00:15:36.420 Dave - Agatsu OG: through a Gatsu. Sean started. 73 00:15:36.880 --> 00:15:41.600 He he had always had sort of exposure to those tools. But then. 74 00:15:41.890 --> 00:16:05.889 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know the the saying that the teacher comes when you're ready. He also sort of, I think, recognized that. Okay, maybe the world isn't ready yet for working with Indian clubs, bowling pins. You're gonna be spinning bolin pins. I don't care right or and so, and similarly, to sort of you mentioned appropriate body control working with breath control 75 00:16:06.070 --> 00:16:18.080 Dave - Agatsu OG: and breathwork that is so dominant out there now. And he was sort of saying, Well, I don't know if the world is ready for that yet. People barely look at a Kettlebell and think, boy, you're gonna hurt yourself 76 00:16:18.290 --> 00:16:26.529 Dave - Agatsu OG: right bad for your back. Isn't that bad? You know. You really shouldn't be lifting that head 77 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:32.580 Dave - Agatsu OG: and so I think that that was a progression that 78 00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:58.819 Dave - Agatsu OG: I ha! I was very happy to be along for the ride of what, as it developed through through a Gatsu to to then get, you know. And as soon as Shawn was saying, Well, let's let's put enough together for for an Indian club's workshop and for a for a mace workshop. And so that was a few years later, after I'd already been doing Kettlebell for a while. This is before I was even involved in Kettlebell sport. 79 00:16:58.930 --> 00:17:04.450 Dave - Agatsu OG: But I was starting to see the lessons learned from Indian Club, which is. 80 00:17:04.660 --> 00:17:08.930 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, you're working with a light tool. You're working, not 81 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:12.070 Dave - Agatsu OG: just muscle control, but muscle subtlety. 82 00:17:12.339 --> 00:17:20.410 Dave - Agatsu OG: and that ability to to work the volume dial right to work the intensity dial to either energy control, as we call it. 83 00:17:20.609 --> 00:17:24.929 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I've seen people pick up an Indian club and they'll do like. 84 00:17:25.220 --> 00:17:30.679 Dave - Agatsu OG: and they'll be smacking the thing into into the air, and then coming away, saying. 85 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:36.160 Dave - Agatsu OG: Wow! And not realizing that they're going full tilt on 86 00:17:36.330 --> 00:17:43.369 Dave - Agatsu OG: full tilt on tiny muscles or on really, really sensitive joints. 87 00:17:43.380 --> 00:17:58.880 Dave - Agatsu OG: And so II really, I took that to heart and sort of think, started thinking, Okay, well, there's gotta be a way of dialing all that down and and being able to to be reactive to situations, to wait and to to all that stuff. 88 00:17:59.140 --> 00:18:11.550 Dave - Agatsu OG: the the Gadda or the Mace were, were very similarly along the same same learning process. So those 2 kind of came up together, steel clubs and heavy clubs as well were part of that. And 89 00:18:12.410 --> 00:18:16.630 Dave - Agatsu OG: and then I think it was probably 2,013 90 00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:28.440 Dave - Agatsu OG: that I went to my first kettleball com. I'd been looking at that. And the one lesson that I took away from some of those original Kettlebell courses 91 00:18:28.580 --> 00:18:31.629 Dave - Agatsu OG: was that this is a sub maximal weight. 92 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:41.169 Dave - Agatsu OG: But here we're just gonna slam our body against it, and we're gonna bash our body against it. And Shawn was the first one to really sort of say, like it's a sub maximal weight. 93 00:18:41.590 --> 00:18:44.870 Dave - Agatsu OG: Don't use it in the same way. You would use a maximal weight. 94 00:18:45.260 --> 00:19:00.079 Dave - Agatsu OG: There's gotta be, you know, sort of look at it differently. So I was playing with that and Kettleball sport kind of fit right into it, because I was also looking at. Well, if I can't slam my body and use maximal energy. Then I've gotta look at endurance, energy. 95 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:24.569 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: And hey, that kind of was describing this thing called kettle sport. And well, it's also described. It's also describing this thing called martial arts, too. Right? Because if you watch, if you watch anybody who's a good boxer, a good mma fighter, a good jujitsu fighter right if you ever seen. If you ever seen, like Henzo Gracie on his back, he looks like he could nap down there right cause. He's not because he's not working 96 00:19:24.570 --> 00:19:49.559 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: so hard because he knows that this is a fight, and the person that gets tired first loses right, and that's one of the things that that I think you know, especially as amateurs like, you know. If you come up in any martial arts, right? You know II did. I did like moitai and and boxing, and some of the more you know, kind of some of the more the more Alpha agro type of like, you know, raw, you know, and I would come in and I would throw. I would throw every punch as hard as I could, because I 97 00:19:49.560 --> 00:20:10.320 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I could throw hard punches, and it was. It wasn't until my first boxing instructor was like, you don't throw every punch with bad intentions. He's like all I gotta do is he's all I gotta do is outlast you for the first 2 min, and your gas and I'm a whoop. Your ass in the next in the next 3 rounds, right? Because you've already used all of your energy right? And so that's where, if you look, if you look at good boxers. You look at good fighters right? What do they do? Well, they 98 00:20:10.320 --> 00:20:20.420 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: that dynamic energy control right? They don't throw every punch with the worst intentions. Sometimes they're just flowing their tab out there to get distance. They're just they're just sticking and moving right. But then, when it comes time. 99 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:38.219 Dave - Agatsu OG: they throw a punch with bad intentions. You're like, Oh, holy shit! That that was fat, holy shit! Well, I think I mean it. You look going back to the Ufc. And you look at Lyoto Machina and Anderson, Silva, and you know, like the guys who are really proficient really didn't look. 100 00:20:38.290 --> 00:20:40.860 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, even even George St. Pierre 101 00:20:41.140 --> 00:21:09.270 Dave - Agatsu OG: George P. Saint Pierre's got a lot of fights that are just like boring, cause he's just, you know, playing playing distance, and I'm sorry I'm playing the Canadian card with that one, in my opinion. Honestly like best of all time, like he's in the conversation for best pound for pound mma, fighter of all time. And and that's a that's a different conversation. But yeah, that's not the case, John Jones. Come on, John Jones, but you know yeah. 102 00:21:09.290 --> 00:21:28.059 Dave - Agatsu OG: But I digress. yeah. But it was. It was very much that idea. Yeah, that idea of okay. If you're not, if you're going for a long period of time. Why, Blitz, every single rep y blitz, every single or tense, every single muscle. 103 00:21:28.150 --> 00:21:41.680 Dave - Agatsu OG: and you know, there there started to become that that conversation of style, you know fitness, style, or hard style versus, you know, sports style, and and 104 00:21:41.690 --> 00:21:56.610 Dave - Agatsu OG: soft style. Go pick up, go give me a couple of 30 twos and see how many. See how many times you can. You can lift both of them over your head in your hard style format. Let's let's see. 105 00:21:56.900 --> 00:21:59.360 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah. But I mean, it's it's that 106 00:21:59.370 --> 00:22:14.529 Dave - Agatsu OG: that need of of humans to just categorize things that okay, it made a little bit of sense, but what they were just describing was intent. It was. The intent of my intent is to get maximum tension, or my intent is to have maximum endurance. 107 00:22:14.550 --> 00:22:16.090 Dave - Agatsu OG: And so. 108 00:22:16.310 --> 00:22:24.830 Dave - Agatsu OG: and as I was getting, you know, I was becoming an an older athlete as well, I think I came into this sport, and I was already 109 00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:41.880 Dave - Agatsu OG: yeah, I'd be in my my early forties, right, which was, isn't walking around old. But sport is a little aged. However, in this sport. It seemed to be. Well, that's kind of where people start finding where they're gonna hit their stride and find their prime. 110 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:47.210 Dave - Agatsu OG: And so I really like that. And you know, ended up 111 00:22:47.260 --> 00:22:55.420 Dave - Agatsu OG: sort of starting to do some comps and and really kinda enjoy it. At the time 112 00:22:55.650 --> 00:22:58.150 Dave - Agatsu OG: there weren't a lot of competitions around. 113 00:22:58.350 --> 00:23:11.590 Dave - Agatsu OG: I don't know about the Us. The Us. Is a little bit more affordable to travel in, but in Canada it's you know, for me to go to Vancouver. Is about $1,000 Canadian. 114 00:23:11.620 --> 00:23:26.349 Dave - Agatsu OG: It's it's a good expense for me to go to Winnipeg, which is halfway across the country. It's about the same amount. So you know, traveling in Canada can be can be a bit pricey and so we were traveling to the other side, which is where the official 115 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:29.349 Dave - Agatsu OG: at the time the official 116 00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:35.929 Dave - Agatsu OG: Kettlebell organization for the country was based, and they did everything out there. 117 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:44.419 Dave - Agatsu OG: They didn't do anything on. 118 00:23:44.450 --> 00:23:56.179 Dave - Agatsu OG: and it created some not great feelings. And that's when a Gatsu was starting to do their own competitions, and they were doing a couple of comps a year, because there was no one else. There was no other show. 119 00:23:56.360 --> 00:24:00.639 Dave - Agatsu OG: And they started. They're the first 120 00:24:00.890 --> 00:24:12.139 Dave - Agatsu OG: Kettlebell Comp. In Canada as far and longest, continually running. Kettlebell sport comp. In Canada. And I think they started in 2,012, 121 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:14.139 Dave - Agatsu OG: and I know that 122 00:24:14.290 --> 00:24:27.139 Dave - Agatsu OG: in Niagara. Our our friend Jen Hintberger. She's been running. She ran the Nkso for years as well. And so those 2 comps for Eastern Canada. That was the show. 123 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:33.410 Dave - Agatsu OG: And so we went down. We supported what we could. And yeah. And then 124 00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:35.210 Dave - Agatsu OG: I think one year 125 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:40.120 Dave - Agatsu OG: I'm trying to think of when it was. I think it was 2,015 126 00:24:40.150 --> 00:24:45.639 Dave - Agatsu OG: the fellows who had been running the Comp's the Agatsu comps down in Toronto. 127 00:24:45.960 --> 00:25:07.469 Dave - Agatsu OG: said, you know what I think we've we can't do this anymore. And and I got asked if I would consider running it because I would always been that guy helping out, you know, always helping out with judging, with with running it with with collating information and setting things up. And so so that's what I did, and I've been doing it ever since. 128 00:25:07.510 --> 00:25:20.679 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: So when you got started, what was your what was your lift of choice? What was what was the first. What was the did did you do? Did you do, Biathlon? Did you do long cycle? Were you crazy from the get? Go, and did all 3, or what it? How did you get started? 129 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.140 Dave - Agatsu OG: So I did. 130 00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:27.810 Dave - Agatsu OG: 16 kilo, 2 arm long cycle, and 16 Kilo snatch. 131 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:36.900 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Oh, so you're a long cycle and snatch person. Yeah, I love doing snatch. I thought that was great. I thought it was a lot of fun. 132 00:25:37.250 --> 00:25:38.470 Dave - Agatsu OG: and I got 133 00:25:38.560 --> 00:25:46.529 Dave - Agatsu OG: for snatch snatch for me is the closest to moving meditation that I've ever found in this sport. 134 00:25:46.780 --> 00:25:48.580 Dave - Agatsu OG: Right? 135 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:54.540 Dave - Agatsu OG: And jerks are just jerks are awesome. 136 00:25:54.590 --> 00:26:02.840 Dave - Agatsu OG: Wonderful. The best sorry I'm trying hard for Jerry. 137 00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:06.280 Dave - Agatsu OG: but here's the thing is that I started. I 138 00:26:06.850 --> 00:26:23.040 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, long cycle long Cycle is is a polarizing lift as well, and a lot of people have a hard time with long, I think more people are attracted to snatch, even though there are some very opinionated person persons out there against them. 139 00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:42.660 Dave - Agatsu OG: But you know there's a majority of the people who snatches this like the neediest lift. It's just so needy if you got to pay attention to every little detail. 10 min. Don't know, man, if you can get into that, you know. If you can find your flow, it's amazing. It's amazing your flow can find that flow. 140 00:26:42.690 --> 00:26:58.619 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah. And and so that's And it's funny because I'll I'll demonstrate stuff to my to my athletes. And and you know, I'll say, Okay, what did you see? And I'm thinking in my head I'm demonstrating this thing 141 00:26:58.910 --> 00:27:05.170 Dave - Agatsu OG: and and everyone sort of comes back and says, Stop making it look so easy. 142 00:27:05.250 --> 00:27:18.199 Dave - Agatsu OG: so it's like fuck. I didn't think it was easy. Okay, let's see if we could. But it really is that that lift that is the closest to 143 00:27:18.270 --> 00:27:21.230 Dave - Agatsu OG: just sort of breathing 144 00:27:21.430 --> 00:27:31.500 Dave - Agatsu OG: right? In in snatch. I'll end up, oftentimes closing my eyes and just drowning everything else out, and all I hear is just my breath 145 00:27:31.550 --> 00:27:39.599 Dave - Agatsu OG: and not hard breath. Just this flow, this sort of this waves of the ocean hitting a beach sort of breathing. And 146 00:27:39.890 --> 00:28:03.000 Dave - Agatsu OG: I always get into the music. It's that's one of the things that people people always kinda have always. Ca, even in my firm even my first competition set, I was so fortunate that in the first competition set I ever did on snatch one of my favorite songs came on in the middle of the set, and it was voodoo child, slight return by Jimi Hendrix, which is one of my favorite songs, and it happens to be exactly 5 min long. 147 00:28:03.010 --> 00:28:27.949 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and it came and it came on. It came on like right as I switched hands. So I switched to. I switched from my non-dominant hand to my dominant hand. My goal, my goal pace. I'd hit my goal pace on my left hand. I switched it, and I knew I was gonna hit. My, I knew I was gonna hit my my target, my target number. And I just like, just found that groove like we were talking about, and just like I was just like. And while I'm lifting, I'm like jamming out to the song and 148 00:28:27.950 --> 00:28:41.410 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and seeing it. And people are like. I have literally never seen it. Seen anybody sing while they're while they're on the platform, is it was one of those like I just found my. I found my groove, and I just was in the 149 00:28:41.410 --> 00:28:56.359 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I was in my. I was in my flow state. I was well conditioned for what pace I was doing. I was on the right weight like, and it just it was. It was awesome. We won't talk about my long cycle set, but you know I just I do love that about snatch where it's like when you find that groove. 150 00:28:56.730 --> 00:29:02.550 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: the rest of the world can fade away. You can go into your body. However, you do that. And then, like, you're just like 151 00:29:02.620 --> 00:29:16.790 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: you're just present, right? And that's just such a that's such a unique experience, at least for me, like when the mind goes quiet, and you can really be fully present in your body. That is such an incredible thing to be able to tap into, and you can like almost tap into it at will. 152 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:21.009 Dave - Agatsu OG: I found that with also with mace 153 00:29:21.450 --> 00:29:32.789 Dave - Agatsu OG: right? And I remember being on on a platform, and it was in the early days when we first started bringing mace con to to the competitions. 154 00:29:33.020 --> 00:29:47.740 Dave - Agatsu OG: And I was lifting next to Zack yannick from Saskatchewan, and he he it was his first Comp. And he came out and he said, Can I make a song request. I said, Yeah, man, of course he picks Fleetwood Mac, chain 155 00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:53.500 Dave - Agatsu OG: the chain, and it just it just starts, and it just it establish that rhythm. 156 00:29:53.690 --> 00:30:06.270 Dave - Agatsu OG: II mean still beat him. But it was. It was such a good rhythm to actually, Zack, I don't know if I did or not, so forgive me for saying that. But II really gotta say if if you can get 157 00:30:06.340 --> 00:30:08.190 Dave - Agatsu OG: into any of those patterns 158 00:30:08.520 --> 00:30:28.599 Dave - Agatsu OG: right into any of those patterns, get into find a beat. Find a pace that you can sort of just turn off that. You know. The the inner voices are the liars right? They're the ones who saying, you're not good enough. This sucks you're in pain. 159 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:37.309 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah, you did better last time, you know. You don't need to prove anything. This. You know all, all that stuff, all that that shit that we're all walking around with. 160 00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:53.969 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know. You just you can drown out those intervoices, or let them go and and just focus on a pace. Focus on a rhythm. Yeah, they're in your gold, your golden, you know. II tell. I tell my athletes 161 00:30:54.090 --> 00:30:55.890 Dave - Agatsu OG: that 162 00:30:56.890 --> 00:31:03.679 Dave - Agatsu OG: If you don't know why you join the sport. then it's gonna get real hard, real fast. 163 00:31:03.850 --> 00:31:15.489 Dave - Agatsu OG: right? Or if you don't know why you joined and let me put it this way is that we lift because we love it right? We live because we love and that's 164 00:31:15.980 --> 00:31:27.229 Dave - Agatsu OG: that's sort of the thing that I try to bring to to all this is that you know this is this, there are better ways to lift weight, and there are more satisfying ways to lift weight. And you're gonna make 165 00:31:27.250 --> 00:31:35.309 Dave - Agatsu OG: progress at a glacially slow pace. Once you start finding your spot 166 00:31:35.670 --> 00:31:42.560 Dave - Agatsu OG: so if you don't love it. you know you're not gonna enjoy lifting it. So you gotta love something 167 00:31:42.580 --> 00:31:45.170 Dave - Agatsu OG: and and find that love of the sport 168 00:31:45.220 --> 00:32:00.220 Dave - Agatsu OG: and yeah, so that that's something that that has always stuck with me. So whether you love the music you love, what your body can do, you love, you know, sort of the the community or the you know the support of 169 00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:18.889 Dave - Agatsu OG: your peers. You know you gotta love something about this for. So yeah, you gotta find your, you gotta find your why that keeps you. That keeps you showing up. Because yeah, like, you said once, you once you once you've gotten past your new beginnings phase, and you've kind of started getting to like, okay, I achieved the top rank that I could achieve in my first, in my first like 170 00:32:18.910 --> 00:32:43.869 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: where my body is right now. And now that I've gotten learned to the technique and everything right like it's always fun to see like how fast people go from being like a fucking noob to like a a proficient lifter. And they go, for they're like, oh, they went from like rank 3 to Cms in 2 years. And then they're like, Okay, now, I wanna get master sport and I wanna do it. In the next year. You're like, yeah, you know, like, hit, Ray, I hit rank one. And now I'm going for Cms. You're like, I wanna do it in 6 months. You're like. 171 00:32:43.870 --> 00:32:50.239 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah, let's come with me. Let's sit down for a moment and let's a little chat. 172 00:32:50.410 --> 00:33:02.920 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: So yeah, this is, this is a good segue. This was not a professional segue, but this is a good segue. I want to talk to you a little bit more about. We talked about you as an athlete, but you as a coach. When did you? When did you start coaching? 173 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:10.389 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: How many athletes do you work with now and and like what is kind of your philosophy as as a coach in in Kettlebell. Sport. 174 00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:17.410 Dave - Agatsu OG: So I guess I started coaching 175 00:33:17.550 --> 00:33:41.630 Dave - Agatsu OG: very quickly before I even got sort of the professional certain, you know, coach coaches, certification, or or became officially a coach. Given that I come from martial arts, and II was already a long time black Belt. So I was already teaching kids and teaching at, you know, adults and and that and the Kettlebell kind of fit into that. So those skills 176 00:33:41.810 --> 00:33:50.830 Dave - Agatsu OG: felt very transferable over to to what I was doing within the the martial arts world. And then I started doing 177 00:33:50.840 --> 00:34:05.890 Dave - Agatsu OG: more and more stuff on my own, and more and more stuff with with students. And my students saw me at a competition and said, Can't can we do that, too? It's like, yeah, sure, why not? And so A and I got everyone 178 00:34:06.110 --> 00:34:08.460 Dave - Agatsu OG: through that Newbie stage 179 00:34:09.020 --> 00:34:24.160 Dave - Agatsu OG: of you know of. Okay, we're we're lifting 12 kilos, or we're lifting 16 kilos. And and then, you know, up to lifting, you know, the 16 and 20 kilos, or maybe couple of 24 S. And everyone was just sort of feeling that 180 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.889 Dave - Agatsu OG: like, Okay, this is great. And then for the longest time, and myself included. 181 00:34:30.469 --> 00:34:35.860 Dave - Agatsu OG: sort of hit. Everyone was feeling like we were hitting up against the ceiling. And I thought, you know. 182 00:34:35.889 --> 00:34:39.110 Dave - Agatsu OG: traditional, or or you know. 183 00:34:39.230 --> 00:34:48.019 Dave - Agatsu OG: the coaches, or the the the trainers, or even the athletes who come to this sort of by accident. and I do consider myself a lucky accident. 184 00:34:48.159 --> 00:35:10.669 Dave - Agatsu OG: Is by yeah, by coming to it by accident. I sort of thought, well, clearly, we have to train harder. We gotta go more. And we gotta yeah, exactly. Say, oh, can't lift that for 5 min. Okay, well, we're gonna train it to lift for 6. We're gonna go for, you know. Can't. Do you know, 8 reps? Fine. We're gonna train you at 10, 185 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:11.920 Dave - Agatsu OG: and 186 00:35:12.140 --> 00:35:38.910 Dave - Agatsu OG: and did a lot a few years of me, and I use myself as a as an example all the time, because II find myself as my biggest example of sometimes what not to do, and biggest example of what to do. Ii also suffer from a great deal of imposter syndrome as well. But that idea of okay, well, this works. So let me tell you a story, and let's see if it'll work for you. 187 00:35:39.290 --> 00:35:43.260 Dave - Agatsu OG: But we were kept on. I kept on hitting this this ceiling. 188 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:51.829 Dave - Agatsu OG: and then I I ended up getting a professional coach. The professional kettle sport coach. 189 00:35:52.020 --> 00:36:07.469 Dave - Agatsu OG: and I've been with her ever since, and it's Abby Johnston in Uk. In Scotland. And Abby is amazing. And Abby is this incredible phenom who 190 00:36:07.540 --> 00:36:21.170 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know I'm I'm constantly in awe of her, of her abilities and her work, but also what got me with Abby, which was why I didn't necessarily pursue other coaches was that 191 00:36:21.290 --> 00:36:27.390 Dave - Agatsu OG: Abby could talk about it from a perspective that I really understood 192 00:36:27.700 --> 00:36:36.449 Dave - Agatsu OG: that I really kind of got. And it's it's like, you know, and she, the first thing she told me was, I think you're doing too much. 193 00:36:36.700 --> 00:36:38.540 Dave - Agatsu OG: I think you need to calm down. 194 00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:46.450 Dave - Agatsu OG: and I need you need to slow down. And do you know little segments, and have a bit of a more metered approach to it? And 195 00:36:46.890 --> 00:37:01.439 Dave - Agatsu OG: and that suddenly got me from sort of tapping out. A a 20 kilo snatch set at, say, you know 150 reps to suddenly going to Comp and getting, you know, 180, 196 00:37:01.700 --> 00:37:05.790 Dave - Agatsu OG: and then a hundred 85, and then a hundred 90, 197 00:37:05.870 --> 00:37:16.040 Dave - Agatsu OG: and then I broke 200 with the 24 Kilo bell, and I thought, Damn okay. Yup process works. Trust the coach. Yes, coach and I 198 00:37:16.100 --> 00:37:20.190 Dave - Agatsu OG: I had trusted it all along. But it's it's you know. 199 00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:27.160 Dave - Agatsu OG: I've been doing it already for about 10 years at that point. And it was like, 200 00:37:27.470 --> 00:37:31.809 Dave - Agatsu OG: yeah, sure. Okay, I'll do what you say, coach. And then say, yeah, but I'm gonna do my own thing. Okay. 201 00:37:53.620 --> 00:38:11.899 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know I'm I'm in my mid-fifties. When I get an injury or I tweak my elbow or I hurt my, I've got long time back issues. When my back flares up and I've gotta tell my coach. It's just like Abby. I'm sorry I broke my hurt, my thing. And and 202 00:38:12.070 --> 00:38:18.000 Dave - Agatsu OG: and she's like, okay. And then, 2 weeks later, when I'm lifting. 203 00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:20.660 Dave - Agatsu OG: I'm looking at the programming and thinking. 204 00:38:20.750 --> 00:38:33.219 Dave - Agatsu OG: why does she got me lifting sixteens again. This doesn't make sense. Why am I lifting for sixteens when I could be lifting to, you know, and cause I've got 0 memory I've got, you know, no memory, and and this is why 205 00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:47.150 Dave - Agatsu OG: I put my myself wholeheartedly, and I think finding a good coach is so important. So getting back to this back to finding a coach. I look at her and think 206 00:38:47.490 --> 00:39:05.580 Dave - Agatsu OG: she's an amazing coach. And so, and so aware of what's going on, even if she's not necessarily aware that she's aware of it. And I find myself saying things to my own athletes and say, you know what you really need to trust your legs a whole lot more in that lift and get out of your own head. 207 00:39:05.790 --> 00:39:08.390 Dave - Agatsu OG: and they'll all of a sudden 208 00:39:08.690 --> 00:39:20.370 Dave - Agatsu OG: like I don't know where that came from. But okay, trust my life, trust my life, holy shit! You were right, and and you know So 209 00:39:20.900 --> 00:39:40.349 Dave - Agatsu OG: as a coach, what my process is is trusting instincts, trusting instincts based on my own experience of, you know. Calm my own shit, calm down, and that's coming so much from from Abby, and and by extension to, I think, by her by her coach as well. 210 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.709 Dave - Agatsu OG: But every good athlete and good coach needs a good coach. 211 00:39:44.960 --> 00:40:05.509 Dave - Agatsu OG: So right now I've got about 24 athletes that I that are in varying stages of their process, whether they are stepping on a platform at every comp they can they can make, whether they are doing it for that strength, endurance component. 212 00:40:05.810 --> 00:40:11.480 Dave - Agatsu OG: I do also teach a few people just Kettlebell fitness 213 00:40:12.750 --> 00:40:23.920 Dave - Agatsu OG: quote unquote fitness or or hard style or kettle, or high intensity workouts? But everything is done with through that lens of 214 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:31.200 Dave - Agatsu OG: you're using a sub maximal weight. So keep that in mind when you're trying to get that fitness component to 215 00:40:31.350 --> 00:40:40.009 Dave - Agatsu OG: as like. What what else are you doing to to help trigger certain certain components, and if I want people to help build. 216 00:40:40.030 --> 00:41:00.320 Dave - Agatsu OG: build maximal strength, then III do have to defer cause I. And fortunately I'm part of a group where I can defer said, you really need to go learn some deadlifting technique. So maximal weightlifting technique from this guy. And he's awesome. So go give him a call. Let's get, get you guys together and and do some things with them. 217 00:41:00.470 --> 00:41:01.310 Dave - Agatsu OG: So 218 00:41:01.580 --> 00:41:04.909 Dave - Agatsu OG: yeah, yeah. Sorry. What was the question again. 219 00:41:04.950 --> 00:41:30.169 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I asked 3. So you know, it was really wasn't wasn't really a, you know, professional interviewing skills there. But you know you answered it. You answered it. Well, I love it. And I I'm gonna ask a favor. I want you. I want you to help. I want you to just give me a warm intro to Abby, like II know who Abby is, but I don't think she. I don't think she and I have ever interacted beyond me like commenting on her Facebook post. I'd love to have her on this podcast because I can, I can say 220 00:41:30.170 --> 00:41:54.960 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: unequivocally. I have used her technique as an example of various things to do with my athletes more times than is fair to her without without me having ever told her that because she is a phenomenal lifter, an additional. In addition to being an excellent coach. She is a phenomenal lift, a world class lifter, so I would love to. I would love to have Abby Abby on the on the podcast as well. So I'm 221 00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:04.310 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I'm gonna ask you for for an intro, because I don't. I don't wanna be that weird creeper that's like, Hey, I've been following you for for years on social media. But I've never. I've never reached out before. 222 00:42:04.650 --> 00:42:25.269 Dave - Agatsu OG: No 100%, I mean I and and that's that's definitely sort of a pay it forward sort of thing. I got the intro to Abby and to Eddie through through Jen Hinton, Burger, and and if listen, if you ever have the opportunity to go and take because they do, I don't know if they're still running 223 00:42:25.270 --> 00:42:36.749 Dave - Agatsu OG: workshops, but a workshop with Abby and Eddie is gonna give you stuff for years to digest, and I still go back and look through her notebook, and 224 00:42:37.110 --> 00:42:42.470 Dave - Agatsu OG: and admittedly, I don't lift exactly like how Abby or Eddie lifts, but 225 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:59.259 Dave - Agatsu OG: everything that they taught me and told me is in consideration of anything that you know anytime that I'm taking on it. So when Nora should you and II doubt she would say that you should right, because one of the things that one of the things that I think great coaches have in common is the ability to take to take 226 00:42:59.350 --> 00:43:10.179 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: fundamentals and and distill them down to what we call first principles. Right like there's there's more than one way for anybody to move the bell efficiently overhead in a snatch. 227 00:43:10.180 --> 00:43:33.309 but it it should come from a good counter balance. It should come from a good pendulum. It should come from an efficient upswing. All of those things. How that looks is different for different people based on their body type, based on their experience, based on how they're used to moving injuries, all sorts of things right? Like, you know, you have a history of back in in issues. I have a history of back issues, right? I probably shouldn't go to as deep of a hinge 228 00:43:33.310 --> 00:43:58.310 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and put as much lumbar flexion into my snatch as somebody else might. Right like. Those are things that that good coaches can either intuitively understand like you said, or they can look at the film, or they can look at, or they can look at your injury history and say, Oh, yeah, maybe maybe a a full like 90 degree hinge here is not a good idea for you like, let's try and get you to a hundred 20 degrees and see how that works right like that's, you know, that's the thing 229 00:43:58.730 --> 00:44:11.270 Dave - Agatsu OG: I think you did ask to. What is your your process, and there's something else that really, I think, sticks out for a large part, because if you're if you're teaching Kettlebell sport, chances are you're teaching 230 00:44:11.680 --> 00:44:28.380 Dave - Agatsu OG: the athletes that you get, whether they're new intake or or you know, existing lifters who are coming over they've got experience, and I've got a wealth of experience that has defined what technique they're using and what they're doing. 231 00:44:28.650 --> 00:44:33.639 Dave - Agatsu OG: And I wanna look at everyone to see 232 00:44:34.100 --> 00:44:42.829 Dave - Agatsu OG: whether it's you're doing a single single rep lift, or you're doing, you know, a 10 min set, or you're doing a half hour or an hour or so 233 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:44.010 Dave - Agatsu OG: is that 234 00:44:44.040 --> 00:44:47.200 Dave - Agatsu OG: is your technique? Do you have that conscious 235 00:44:47.300 --> 00:44:50.929 Dave - Agatsu OG: effort to get rid of the stuff that you don't need? 236 00:44:51.930 --> 00:44:54.860 Dave - Agatsu OG: Right? Get rid of the movement that you don't need. 237 00:44:55.500 --> 00:45:04.129 Dave - Agatsu OG: I remember, and and I'll use snatches sort of that that, you know. Example technique. But I remember we used to do snatch where we'd pull it from the back 238 00:45:04.270 --> 00:45:20.329 Dave - Agatsu OG: from the back swing and punch it to the overhead position right? And that was very hard, Styley. But quote unquote but it was that that sense of, you know, just sort of grip it and rip it and punch it to through the ceiling. 239 00:45:20.580 --> 00:45:31.419 Dave - Agatsu OG: and it's like, okay. Well, how much of that can we get rid of? And you can either get rid of the individual components within that system. 240 00:45:31.690 --> 00:45:42.290 Dave - Agatsu OG: or you can redefine the system, and you start sort of rocking your body back and forth and focus on pendulum and focus on counter balance. And all of a sudden 241 00:45:42.370 --> 00:45:59.230 Dave - Agatsu OG: you don't need to rip it from the back swing cause pendulums just kind of go by themselves, and you don't need to punch the ceiling, because if you're counter balancing back. You're kind of an arm's length away from the bell with enough kick in it, and it just kind of floats right on up there, so 242 00:46:00.060 --> 00:46:06.270 Dave - Agatsu OG: partly get rid of the shit that you don't need. and partly define the technique well enough that you don't 243 00:46:06.340 --> 00:46:26.980 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: actually have the shit that you don't need cropping up. In the first place. Yeah, there, and there might still be value, especially when you go to the heavier weights like 28 and thirty-two's for for men right there might still be value in as you get to fixation, you tense your lap just to stop the movement right and stabilize your shoulder, but as soon as it's stable you relax right? It's like, there's that like. 244 00:46:26.980 --> 00:46:50.450 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: be as as efficient as possible. And I I've had a lot of people. If they're they're being a little too casual with their insertion. I'll tell them like I call it the choke, slam insertion like grab, punch your hand, punch into that bell as though you're gonna get ready to choke some slam somebody like the undertaker right? But then, as soon as you do that, then just let the momentum carry you to 120'clock. You know it it. 245 00:46:50.560 --> 00:46:54.320 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I am 100% with you. It's all about those like identifying. 246 00:46:54.440 --> 00:47:16.170 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Where do I need to engage, and where do I need to relax? And it should be should be a system, and it should be a chain of like, engage, relax, engage, relax, engage, relax, and it's it's that sequence. And then, marrying that sequence up to your breath pattern and quieting those voices in your head that are telling you. You can't do this. You know any any of those things? Right? 247 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.010 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah. Yeah. 248 00:47:18.040 --> 00:47:45.659 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: So you mentioned you mentioned imposter syndrome a little bit. And we talked about this offline a little bit, and it's I told you I was. Gonna bring it up because, this is something you and I, you and I have in common. Ii think I said something to you. I don't remember specifically exact with the exact wording. But you asked me. You asked me, a little struck how I felt about my own lift, and you know I said, Oh, I you know I don't, really II felt fine about it. I don't really care. I'm I'm here to be a good coach and a mediocre lifter, because that is 249 00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:57.069 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I mean, if I'm being honest like. That's generally how I perceive myself most of the time. But we we had a we had a conversation around that, and I'm I'm curious. What are what are your thoughts around the the challenges between 250 00:47:57.070 --> 00:48:16.239 being a good coach and being a good lifter? And and how do you? How do you decide where you focus most of your energy. And how do you? How do you manage that polarity, as I like to call it? Right? Cause it's a little bit of a challenge to you to to manage both of those things, especially on Comp. Day, when you've got multiple athletes who might be lifting out of competition. And you might also have a set. 251 00:48:16.540 --> 00:48:26.180 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is is that sort of eternal juggle that I honestly, I'm not quite sure if I do manage 252 00:48:26.270 --> 00:48:40.870 Dave - Agatsu OG: I've been doing this long enough that that there's so much that sort of falls into autopilot where we're just like, okay, let's get the next one up. We're gonna start right that time. We're gonna do this. We have to have this. So so the actual comp day 253 00:48:41.250 --> 00:48:44.070 Dave - Agatsu OG: conversation. 254 00:48:44.430 --> 00:49:04.629 Dave - Agatsu OG: my my partner Metiev. She sees me all the time. And whether we're going to we're traveling to a Comp. Whether we're hosting it, or we're we're hosting a comp here in town. She knows that I'm probably gonna get really quiet. I'm probably not gonna eat. 255 00:49:04.750 --> 00:49:21.269 Dave - Agatsu OG: I'm probably not. Gonna you know, fuel my own self. Very well. So from that perspective, from not gonna sleep right? She knows that I'm I'm sort of, you know, a hot mess beforehand. 256 00:49:21.330 --> 00:49:33.950 Dave - Agatsu OG: But once things start like you get up on that platform and say, you know, okay, everybody. Let's get together. We're gonna have a little chat about the rules. We're gonna have a little conversation conversation about the different lifts, what we're looking at and and get things going. 257 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.170 Dave - Agatsu OG: Then it just kind of rolls 258 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:44.149 Dave - Agatsu OG: that. So from comp perspective, that just kind of rolls. And when II have to get on the platform to lift 259 00:49:44.520 --> 00:49:57.209 Dave - Agatsu OG: I have got. I have got amazing people on my team that I mentioned many of she is sort of that backbone of organization that you know she runs 260 00:49:57.210 --> 00:50:22.020 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, a lot of the data entry, and sort of is the doctor. That's the doctor Sarah's for me. I got. I got my freaks in the sheets right there they manage all the excel spreadsheets so well, and it helps so much pressure off of me like so Dr. Sarah's, for for narrow and summers. III so you know, cheers to you. And then to 261 00:50:22.020 --> 00:50:43.230 Dave - Agatsu OG: so and then I've got some really just this amazing team of lifters who have gone to enough competitions. And we've, we've, you know, driven down to Toronto from here. It's about a 4 h drive driven to Montreal, driven, you know, couple of different comps here and there. Where we just we know the patterns like, okay. But 262 00:50:43.450 --> 00:50:53.189 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, can I? Can I grab you, Tash? Come over here. I need you to to, you know. Announce this the next few lifts so that I can go warm up, and then I can do my lift. 263 00:50:53.260 --> 00:51:04.190 Dave - Agatsu OG: And you know, Kim, can you look at? Make sure judging is is done well, and that sort of thing? So it is. There is a little bit of this 264 00:51:04.340 --> 00:51:07.400 haphazard seating your pants, but it's 265 00:51:07.580 --> 00:51:12.120 Dave - Agatsu OG: well rehearsed. And and you know. And I 266 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:38.950 Dave - Agatsu OG: organized chaos. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you know, we we been trying to live stream all of our comps. And so, you know, at some point you'll hear this sort of manic, you know, yell across the room, or or whatever said, is everyone ready? And and you know you'll get the try to get the the people pumped up in the room, especially when you're going into that late afternoon of the Comp. When everyone's just like I've been here since 9 Am. 267 00:51:38.970 --> 00:51:41.560 Dave - Agatsu OG: We've done yet. Right? 268 00:51:41.950 --> 00:51:44.629 Dave - Agatsu OG: But we get to the details. 269 00:51:44.690 --> 00:51:52.320 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah, yeah, yeah, did someone mention there was gonna be beer, what's going on? 270 00:51:53.070 --> 00:52:01.760 Dave - Agatsu OG: But so from a comp perspective. There's always that sort of like that, that persona. And II think you and I are very much 271 00:52:01.890 --> 00:52:31.500 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: very much the same where maybe privately, we're a little bit more introverted, and we're a little bit more emotional on on the I'm not introverted. I am not introverted in any way shape or form. But I am definitely. I definitely can relate on a lot of the things you're talking about like my wife. Oh, are you gonna go quiet at any point, or is that only when you die? Because that's that's my person. Fair enough. But maybe maybe emotional is is is the other thing. But you know very 272 00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:45.940 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I I'm I'm very sensitive about certain things, and so II need to have a little bit of quiet time. And and you know, after a call introspective, I can. I can definitely both very introspective and reflective, like I just 273 00:52:46.690 --> 00:53:07.680 Dave - Agatsu OG: but when it's when it's game day quote unquote game day. It's like you get that facade of Coach Dave and Announcer Dave and and Personality, Dave, and I'm just like on and loud, and you know I'll be there as long as the lifters are lifting, and and you know we go. 274 00:53:08.300 --> 00:53:12.219 Dave - Agatsu OG: My athletes know that for the most part 275 00:53:12.590 --> 00:53:25.999 Dave - Agatsu OG: so that when it does come time for for Game Day, I'll try to make a point of of having a couple of words with them before they're left, like, you know, whatever it is. 276 00:53:26.410 --> 00:53:42.910 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know whether I'm I'm talking to Chris, and I said, you got this, you know. It'll be awesome, or I'm talking to Kim where it's like. Don't you put that shit down, or it, you know, or whatever it is right. You know you get to know your people, and you know 277 00:53:42.950 --> 00:53:47.750 Dave - Agatsu OG: either exactly what they need, or, you know, sort of a tone of what they need. 278 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:58.359 Dave - Agatsu OG: You know, like whether they need a a punch in the arm or a big hug, or, you know, just a moment to to hold hands and just calm down. 279 00:53:58.560 --> 00:54:13.030 Dave - Agatsu OG: so I try to. I try to do that as much as I can. But yeah, Comp. Day is kinda kinda nutty and crazy. But I think I think the sign of a good coach, and maybe this is confirmation bias. But II think I think the sign of a good coach is that 280 00:54:13.070 --> 00:54:33.460 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: you're you're you're focused so much on your on your athletes that and you wanna teach them how to manage it themselves. Right? You're trying to build independence so that you know. And that's not always gonna be like their first, their first competition. You're like, I'm gonna be there with you. I'm gonna be there counting all your reps right, you know, like you're trying to. You're trying to bear. Hug them when they're first in the sport. But, like like Sarah for narrow, you know. 281 00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:45.680 Dave - Agatsu OG: she can just give me a look on the platform like I'll I've been touching her along, and like like I'll be like, all right. Here we go. That was 10, and I'll look at her. We go into 12, and she'll just give me a look. And I'm like, Okay, we're not going to 12 for her, you know. 282 00:54:45.680 --> 00:55:01.350 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: like she I she knows she could just verbally like Non verbally communicate with me, but like she knows how to manage her own sets so well with or without me, right? And like, you know, that's you always get to that. Get to that point where your athletes are so prepared. 283 00:55:01.620 --> 00:55:19.390 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and you've talked to them ahead of time that they know what to expect on Comp. Day and Comp. Day is just a repeat of the routine that we've already built. It's about managing our managing our nerves on that day. We already have our strategies. We have our plan. A plan. B plan C, right? And like you're just giving them like like you said the the 2 word reminders of like. 284 00:55:19.390 --> 00:55:33.089 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Hey, under squat leg, driving under squat or whatever right, let's relax into fixation, or stay with your breath, or whatever it is for that person, you know, and you're just trying to prove that you're trying to build that where it's like. 285 00:55:33.090 --> 00:55:35.229 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: even if even if you weren't there. 286 00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:57.599 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: they're hearing your voice. They're hearing your voice. They're hearing your words in in their head, and they know what to do. They know how to execute, and I'm always I don't know for me personally like I'm always so much more proud of my athlete like. I've never been as proud of any of my own sets as I've ever been through any of my athletes like when my athletes go out and crush their targets, and they put up their best performances. 287 00:55:57.700 --> 00:56:07.070 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: That shit stays with me, my own, and I'm like, Oh, that sucked you said that cause that's exactly how I feel, too. I mean. 288 00:56:07.200 --> 00:56:10.159 Dave - Agatsu OG: people have seen me in, you know. 289 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:26.150 Dave - Agatsu OG: in the audience, right? And I'm also, you know whether I'm I'm an one of the efficiency of the of the Comp. Or I'm just there as a coach. I'll be there in the audience, looking at my lifters doing like they'll they'll be doing. And I'll be there going. 290 00:56:27.990 --> 00:56:44.319 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah. And and I'll be doing these sort of false jerks along with them. And and then either either, you know, clapping, yelling encouragement or or yelling, you know, like, okay, more of that. Less shit. Okay? And and 291 00:56:44.580 --> 00:56:56.859 Dave - Agatsu OG: and that sort of thing. So, yeah, I I'm with you. And and yeah, what what struck me is that I think I've had comps where 292 00:56:57.430 --> 00:57:00.879 Dave - Agatsu OG: I've had my own lifters up on the platform. 293 00:57:01.590 --> 00:57:03.280 I've been announcing 294 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.869 Dave - Agatsu OG: that I have announced that I'm up next. 295 00:57:07.540 --> 00:57:35.289 Dave - Agatsu OG: and yet I'm still engaged in my lifter on the platform. And so then, when that flight is done I'll be announcing the next flight, and I'll see my own name, and I'll I'll in my own head go some cases out loud. Oh, shit! I gotta lift next, and I haven't warmed up, and you know sometimes I'll go out there and I'll ship the bed, or I'll go out there, and I'll I'll crush a pr, and it and it's just like, and II can't find in my own cell 296 00:57:36.010 --> 00:57:40.179 Dave - Agatsu OG: any sense of consistency of 297 00:57:40.220 --> 00:57:41.620 Dave - Agatsu OG: personal prep. 298 00:57:42.170 --> 00:57:53.720 Dave - Agatsu OG: Whether I take half an hour and warm up for for a lifting set, or I surprise myself and just say, Oh, crap! Okay, throw chalk on my hands and and go 299 00:57:54.680 --> 00:58:08.610 Dave - Agatsu OG: Obviously, there's some, you know, with with some exceptions, of just the extremely crappy lists that I've done but for the most part I don't see any consistency between on game, day on, on Comp. Day, having 300 00:58:08.620 --> 00:58:12.070 Dave - Agatsu OG: a great set from being super prepared, or being not prepared at all. 301 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:22.649 Dave - Agatsu OG: So that to me, I think, is more attributed to the fact that I'm just. I'm there with my lifters, and I'm having. I'm just so 302 00:58:22.810 --> 00:58:36.669 Dave - Agatsu OG: buoyed up by their own performance or their own. You know emotions, and whether their emotions are super positive or supernatural, when when I see a lifter crumble. 303 00:58:36.890 --> 00:58:40.239 Dave - Agatsu OG: and you know, and they're in tears. 304 00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:50.719 Dave - Agatsu OG: Or they're you can see that they're obviously disappointed. It's like I feel that. And and I go up to them, and I'll I'll sit with them and I'll I'll say, Okay, no worries. 305 00:58:50.870 --> 00:58:54.960 Dave - Agatsu OG: It's okay. It's okay. It's okay, you know. At least you didn't shit your pants? 306 00:58:54.980 --> 00:59:03.560 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: You know, or or whatever exactly exactly 307 00:59:03.720 --> 00:59:09.060 Dave - Agatsu OG: or or whatever it is to to to connect back with them. 308 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:17.239 Dave - Agatsu OG: a yeah. So you know, when, when trying to balance that II get so much from my own lifters, and 309 00:59:17.380 --> 00:59:34.889 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know the pandemic, a lot of people had a hard time with the pandemic. I went online with my lectures right away and and grew my client base. And so and so, and I've stayed online with them. With the exception of a a single I do 12 classes a week 10 classes. Sorry. 310 00:59:34.900 --> 00:59:38.220 Dave - Agatsu OG: And only one of them is in person right now. 311 00:59:38.500 --> 00:59:57.889 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: because everyone is just so so busy and so occupied, and Kansas fucking huge right like you can. You can. Now you can coach people from Rankin Inlet, or, you know, from Toronto they can be from Ottawa. They can, you know they could be. They could be 3 blocks down the street from you. 312 00:59:57.890 --> 01:00:27.440 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and you still might only like I've got one of my athletes is literally 2 miles from me, and I see I see like I'm gonna go meet him for coffee here in in a little bit, but you know, but we we don't lift in person together because he works. He works as a nurse. He's got kids. I've got kids like we. Still, I just delivers programming. He sends me because it's a he. He could be in freaking Atlanta, and it wouldn't make, we would still interact the same way as far as coaching as far as coaching him. Right? But you know, but 313 01:00:27.810 --> 01:00:34.440 Dave - Agatsu OG: yeah, and and and even though he's he's online, you're still giving him as good as you've got. 314 01:00:34.630 --> 01:00:42.009 Dave - Agatsu OG: You just happen to be giving it, you know, by by way of a you know a screen? 315 01:00:42.160 --> 01:01:04.960 Dave - Agatsu OG: and II think that you know it works so well. So that that's that's to me. That's the business. Now, that's alright, and that's the support. Now, whether people like it or not, like I love the feel of an in person Comp. And II like 100%. Say, if you have a chance to go lift in person fucking, do it because there is nothing like Comp. Day in person. 316 01:01:04.990 --> 01:01:22.000 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: But also, if you, if it's a barrier for you. online competitions are still awesome, it's still a great way to compete. And it's still like the access that we now have. And and all of those things I think that's I think that's and a net positive for for almost everybody. But 317 01:01:22.310 --> 01:01:50.050 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I'm gonna ask you 2 more questions, because II wanna be respectful of your time, and I gotta go meet Dave another day of a different Dave, for in a couple of minutes. So I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna ask you first since we I promise you we would talk Bourbon a little bit. And yeah, II grabbed a I grabbed a quick top off of my bottle. By my! By, my by my desk here! So what are you drinking? And what's your? What's your? What's your favorite? What's your favorite either cocktail or Bourbon that you're that you're drinking right now? 318 01:01:50.450 --> 01:01:53.019 Dave - Agatsu OG: Oh, boy, okay, so 319 01:01:53.820 --> 01:02:13.829 Dave - Agatsu OG: right now, I'm actually drinking. This is a bit of a dark horse, that sort of surprises people. I've been pulling this out and serving it to my both my Scotch whisky lovers, friends, friends, and the ones who like like Bourbon as well, and some rye. But I've been pulling out. It's a Canadian club, but it's a 20 year Canadian Club. 320 01:02:14.110 --> 01:02:17.369 Dave - Agatsu OG: And Canadian Club is like high school 321 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:24.740 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: high school whiskey and top of and drink and drink half a litre of it. Yeah. 322 01:02:24.990 --> 01:02:31.689 Dave - Agatsu OG: yeah, yeah. And but my guy at the the local liquor store 323 01:02:31.830 --> 01:02:37.129 gave me a taste of this in the store, and I was like, what the hell is that? That's amazing. 324 01:02:37.240 --> 01:02:42.840 Dave - Agatsu OG: And he told me the price of it first, and and I know that Canadian prices are a little bit different from 325 01:02:42.860 --> 01:02:52.319 Dave - Agatsu OG: from us. But this was just over 70 bucks a bottle, which is us, maybe about $50. 326 01:02:52.380 --> 01:03:12.890 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: So I thought it was. That's what I'm trying to I'm trying to think of. I don't know if that's what I'm trying to do. I'm not sure how I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm not sure that's what I'm trying to do with that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure. That's what I'm trying to do with it. I'm not sure that's what I'm trying to do. 327 01:03:13.060 --> 01:03:27.100 Dave - Agatsu OG: I think both of us are look like in in sport. We both kind of look like a bit of a dark horse. So yeah, exactly. Exactly. 328 01:03:27.340 --> 01:03:30.100 Dave - Agatsu OG: But when we get suburban 329 01:03:30.580 --> 01:03:33.440 Dave - Agatsu OG: tell you, when I was down at at riddles struck 330 01:03:33.460 --> 01:03:44.689 Dave - Agatsu OG: Matt gave me a a taste of old tub, which is an unfiltered Jack Daniels. 331 01:03:44.690 --> 01:04:05.320 Dave - Agatsu OG: and which was tasty. But then I also brought to the party Penelope, which was fantastic and smooth, and everything Penelope does is excellent. I. They like their. The architect is awesome. They're they're toasted. Stuff is awesome, like everything I've had from Penelope has been 332 01:04:05.910 --> 01:04:12.769 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: really so really saw that 4 grain was excellent. That's a that's a very sol, very solid, very solid distillery. 333 01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:19.550 Dave - Agatsu OG: absolutely. But then I've I've also got a a sipper there. With the 334 01:04:19.940 --> 01:04:24.829 Dave - Agatsu OG: third batch from 2,022 of bookers. 335 01:04:25.310 --> 01:04:26.640 Dave - Agatsu OG: So the good one. 336 01:04:27.260 --> 01:04:52.189 Dave - Agatsu OG: I know that they have got a lot of inconsistent yeah batches, but their batches are. Yeah. Their batches are highly variant, which is, I'm glad that they label them, and they name them and everything. And and what one person really likes as a batch. Another person might not, which is one of the fun things about Bourbon is is you start to learn kind of what your flavor profile is, and it evolves over time, and sometimes, and and also it depends on the mood or the seasons, which is another thing that I really enjoy. Like I, 337 01:04:52.290 --> 01:05:14.440 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know people are like, oh, what are your winter whiskey's, or what are your win? You know, cause II move more towards higher rye, heavier spice generally what you would consider a hotter whiskey, you know. When it's colder outside and I like my wheat. I like my weeders and my more citrusy and Carmelie stuff in the in the summer time. You know it's it's not a fan of the weeders. So 338 01:05:14.830 --> 01:05:34.499 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: down here for the Tcp. And I'll give you a flight of some of some weeders that are. And I'm not. I'm not. You're not wrong, like there are some weeders that are just mediocre, and like they, they sacrifice smoothness for complexity. But there are some weeders that are just like 339 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:42.499 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and like Pappy Van Winkle for the for people that don't know Pappy Van Winkle most people have heard of, and it's really sought after like, that's a weak mash bill. 340 01:05:42.750 --> 01:06:11.929 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: So that's that. So there are some some really top end, Bourbons, that that have wheat in the mash bill, so I'll I'll give you a few. I'll give you a few to try, and if if you don't like them, you don't like them, and that's okay. Cause I got the other, I got some spicy high rise stuff and some some other some other good stuff in there as well. So I do have to say that. We we have got the availability of good Bourbon up here is is, sometimes kind of stretched. You end up with a lot of the real run of the mill 341 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:23.239 Dave - Agatsu OG: or the the high high production bottles. But I was out in the West Coast for a week, and had and found a bottle of old Forester. 1920. 342 01:06:23.240 --> 01:06:47.440 Dave - Agatsu OG: I have that upstairs, and I haven't. I haven't opened it. Chocolate bomb. That's one of my favorite bottles. Oh, yeah, yeah. So II thought, Okay, well, I'm I'm here for what we're we're there for 8 or 9 days. It's like, okay, let's at least make a dent in it. And ended up with about an inch and a half left in the bottom of bottle more than a dent. We made a bit of a dent. Yeah, it was good. 343 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.840 Dave - Agatsu OG: It was good as far as cocktail, I mean 344 01:06:51.080 --> 01:06:58.230 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and I love what Sam Ross did. And so II love a paper plane. 345 01:06:58.410 --> 01:07:01.960 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: tell people rest. Tell people the recipe, because paper plane is one of my. 346 01:07:02.130 --> 01:07:17.329 Dave - Agatsu OG: It's it's an all parts equal or all equal parts 4 part cocktail with Bourbon amaro nonino. Usually, although. Negro, yeah. with apparol and lemon juice. 347 01:07:17.490 --> 01:07:23.889 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: and just like it just hits on all cylinders. Yeah, yeah. 348 01:07:23.930 --> 01:07:34.710 Dave - Agatsu OG: yeah. But then I love a boulevard and I'll I'll do a fancy bitch, which is a Bourbon version of a of a Negroni 349 01:07:34.720 --> 01:07:44.109 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I like a gold rush, you know. Gold rush is one of my one of my favorite summer cocktails. That's a good. That's a good summer cocktail as well. 350 01:07:44.310 --> 01:07:49.719 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: That's honey, honey and lemon juice and sugar in Bourbon for for people that don't know these things by. 351 01:07:49.730 --> 01:07:52.550 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I'll do that. I'll do that with. 352 01:07:52.700 --> 01:08:17.100 Dave - Agatsu OG: Yeah, I'll I'll take a penicillin in in that place. Which is done more with Scotch like a blend. Just a generic blended Scotch with honey syrup, ginger true, and then you can float, float an isla, an Isla whiskey on top of it. Just to get that hard peaked and that sort of iodine. 353 01:08:17.149 --> 01:08:34.310 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: so it tastes like drinking medicine, but a well crafted cocktail in in the hands of a skilled practitioner is is almost always a good bet. So alright, so last last question, and and anybody that listens to the podcast knows what it is. So 354 01:08:34.310 --> 01:08:53.819 you're you're an experienced lifter. You're an experienced coach when you get a brand new person if you could give them one piece of advice. They're not hiring you as a coach, but they're like, Hey, I can't afford a coach, but I want one, you know. One piece of advice. What would you tell? A brand new lifter as the one thing that that you would give them to get them started. What's the one piece of advice that you would give them? 355 01:08:55.990 --> 01:08:58.800 Dave - Agatsu OG: always ask questions. 356 01:09:00.310 --> 01:09:01.819 Dave - Agatsu OG: always ask questions. 357 01:09:02.060 --> 01:09:12.800 Dave - Agatsu OG: If you don't understand it, then ask a question. If you don't know why you're doing it, ask a question. If your coach can't answer those questions. 358 01:09:13.220 --> 01:09:14.670 Dave - Agatsu OG: you're with the wrong guy. 359 01:09:14.859 --> 01:09:24.659 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, find another coach, so ask the question, and make sure that the answers make sense to you that you understand what your coach is trying to get you to do 360 01:09:24.660 --> 01:09:47.870 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: I love that? Maybe my favorite answer of all time? And not because not because you, not because reference back something that I tell my athletes all the time is, I promise you, everything I put in there has malice aforethought. So if you have any questions, ask me why I put it in there, and if I can't tell you the reason behind it, then you could feel free to ignore it, feel free to ignore it. Exact. Yeah, 100%. If if your coach doesn't know why you're doing. 361 01:09:47.870 --> 01:09:48.490 Dave - Agatsu OG: And 362 01:09:48.490 --> 01:10:06.259 Dave - Agatsu OG: look, look at this sport, look at how this sport has evolved in in North America. And how many fallacies of of fallacies people are operating under, you know, like you need to lift, and you need to. You must do it this way. You must do that. And yet, you know, this is why we've got. 363 01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:17.360 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, so many styles. And and you know, cults of personality. If you don't know why your coach is telling you to do something other than Oh, that's the way we do it. Then. 364 01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:22.150 Dave - Agatsu OG: you know, get the book out of there. This is how my coach taught me. Therefore this is how we do it. 365 01:10:22.260 --> 01:10:36.190 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: Feel free to feel free to run well. 366 01:10:36.190 --> 01:11:05.689 Twin Cities Kettlebell Club: really appreciate you taking the time, man. This was super fun always. I always enjoy catching off with you, man. So I appreciate that, we turned on the camera and recorded one for yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, listen, Jordan. It's it's you're one of my favorite people in this in this community. So I always enjoy spending any time with you and chatting about. You know anything we got time for. So hey? Thank you so much. And this has been a blast. Yeah. Appreciate you, man. We'll talk soon. Thank you so much. 367 01:11:06.050 --> 01:11:06.820 Dave - Agatsu OG: All right.