Joe Daniels | Owner of Swing This Kettlebell, Think Tank Floatation, Master of Helping People Feel Better

Welcome to the platform podcast. I'm your host Jordan Kunde-Wright, founder and head coach of the Twin Cities Kettlebell Club And I'm on a mission to help others build sustainable healthy habits I know how hard that can be because I've struggled and succeeded to varying degrees throughout my life But I've lost over a hundred pounds and kept it off for over a decade now the key for me was discovering my passion for lifting weights in Kettlebell Sport on this podcast we'll talk to athletes coaches experts and everyday people about Kettlebell's fitness programming nutrition mindset making an impact and generally striving to grow and leave a legacy of positive change Please join me. All right, welcome into this episode of the platform podcast. I am incredibly excited to welcome in Joe Daniels He is the owner of swing this kettlebell in Cincinnati as well as think tank floatation He is a master or I'm sorry candidate master of sport in Kettlebell sport as well as the coach of the swing this kettlebell Competition team. What else am I missing? How many other businesses do you have now? I'm there. It does I like to help people like the you know the floatations great for it's it's beyond great actually for physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, all that stuff it it It truly has connections to almost anything that you can think of And you know I've done Kettlebell's for over a decade now and I think I'm pretty good at it. I'm pretty good at helping people. That's what I'd I'd rather be known for a person that can help other people succeed than say what I did like my accolades or whatever That's that's the one that I want like Want to be a master at helping other people feel good? Oh, that's what I forgot master trainer by KFF So I'll throw out all your accolades and all the all the things because that's that's a cool thing But I feel like that was a recognition of how much you've given back to people in general But the kettlebell world in particular I mean, you're you're kind of OG when it comes to the kettlebell sport world in particular when did you first start in kettlebells? Well, when I was still competing on national level and NPC bodybuilding I was too I did that in 2009 so five or so years really competitive And then I just wanted something different. It just didn't feel right constantly being Judging and being judged, you know by looks alone because that's all it matters. It's not how strong you are It's not what you train. I mean like I was always a drug-free athlete. I never did anything. I didn't you know That was my thing. I got into fitness and we'll talk about stuff I never really talked too much, but I got into fitness to kind of get away from a musical lifestyle, you know, parting and all that stuff. So October 8, 2003 was the first time I went back into a gym. I've been taking care of myself ever since that day Nice. Awesome. So yeah, 2009 is when I first picked up a kettlebell So I mean, I'm pretty early in the United States kettlebell people I guess but there's like people I looked up to like Carter and Mike Moller and I never really got I never really got to talk to Steve Maxwell much or Pablo. I never really was a RKC person. I guess though Moller was Um, yeah, but I gravitated a lot towards Steve style because I thought it was more I don't know. I thought I thought it seemed kettlebell sport really interested me. Um, I like pushing competing but not against in a team. I I'm really I can blame myself for shortcomings. I can't, you know, I don't want to get mad at other people So I know that what I put into is what I'm going to get out of it. So single sport is why I always kind of got into But you had a theme that I like seeing Steve do Interesting mobility stuff and I thought that was cool So that's really yeah That's kind of how I got there Yeah, and a lot a lot of people uh Well, I shouldn't say a lot of people but I don't know if you're you're obviously very well known for kettlebells I'm not sure how many people know that you're also a very talented artist Right, so you paint and I think so that's my assessment like I like the stuff that you make I think it's I think it's super cool and that's uh Definitely a big part of your personality. It seems like right that artistic that artistic creative part of your personality Like you mentioned a musical lifestyle. So what were you were you also playing playing in bands or what was that? Yeah, after high school we got into playing bands like um I like metal. I think everybody knows. I like music but mostly you know hard rock stuff like that Heavy metal whatever big big metal head But um, yeah, just traveling. I mean we used to travel since 90 basically midwest Chicago stuff playing And then for about say about five years and I started taking care of myself like You know having some bad relationships and like what can I do to feel better personally? Maybe I'm being selfish, but you can't take care of other people if you can't take if you're not taking care of yourself You know, so I started going back to gym you know still smoking cigarettes when I walked in the gym Uh, you know dreadlocks and smoking cigarettes. It's uh, that's not the kind of open up gotta open the lungs up before I go work out Yeah, I remember they still some of the people that I started with they're like I can't believe they sold me a membership to this place. It was Down the street from where I lived and Went in there and they're like that dude's not coming back And then you know within two years I was winning bodybuilding competitions and they're like we Had you wrong That's what's good. I mean maybe I didn't make I might not have been made it but like people gave me a chance and I found a little I found some like-minded people that were there trying to get away from things it weren't helping weren't being good for them and um we got to talk And it just it drove me and I felt better, you know, yeah That's awesome did so did you come from a competitive background at all and in like high school or or like any any sports and in high school Were you mostly in music or like what was your what was your thing when you're you're in high school? That kind of lived out kind of country-ish um nor Kentucky It's pretty out there um, I love bikes riding bikes. That's pretty much it played Played football in high school and I was the opposite of what you would think of a football player in hospital in high school, you know Metalhead listening to tool and in the country. That's just it wasn't I'm just you I've been usually kind of the different person and the thing that I pursued I played football because I liked to lift weights I started lifting weights with the team and I was still working jobs in the summer so I couldn't play football but Hell I could lift weights and in whatever so I got hooked on lifting weights then football just kind of Was a part of that and then Afterwards I took a little break plan music and I'm like you know what I felt the best when I was lifting weights so Went back to it two thousand three in a sense Nice, and so what what was the what was the impetus for bodybuilding like why why did you decide that that was the direction when you So you went back to the gym to feel better and start lifting weights and you quit I'm assuming quit smoking fairly fairly shortly after after that and but what I mean going from being just a casual weightlifter trying to be healthy to like I'm gonna compete in bodybuilding is a that's a that's a level up So what what pushed what pushed you that direction? I was lifting all day you know all the time. I was there every day Every day after work and I'd landscape and Do landscaping go there to the gym afterwards um and I'm I'm not kidding people won't believe it But I literally was a hundred fifty seven pounds like ripped a hundred and fifty seven pounds when I was probably 23 something like that and 157 pounds you know I'm two thirty now As you say contextualize that for people that that are just listening and maybe you haven't seen you because Post a picture you're a big dude. Yeah, I'll post a picture of when I was playing music Um about one fifty seven Well, someone said what you doing all this like I said I don't know. It's pretty cool They're like want you to do a bodybuilding competition. I was like yeah, and they're like You won't do that nobody around here does it because there was one dude in the gym that actually competed Everybody you know that's how that how it is everybody talks shit until it's their turn to put up the numbers Or whatever and they're like you won't do it. I'm like I'm never been to one But uh, what do I do? I'll fucking do it And I mean it's just I put my mind to it. I said I'll do it and I ended up working with Um some people know Beverly International is a supplement company and yeah, you know Beverly Yeah, yeah, they make that amp that amp protein is one of my one of my favorite that 80 20 or um Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not So they were real close to me. That's where I live cold spring. That's where the headquarters is so Back then they would still go through like posing routines and helping people do it So I'm like man, I got some of the best around for this is free Using their products and they're helping me out. They kind of quit doing that after I got into it. So I got kind of locked into it and the first couple shows I ended up competing with some Some people that were seen on, you know, let's say covered like muscular development, men's health, all that stuff and yeah, so it was I got I got some help at the beginning as far as what to do I had never been to a bodybuilding competition in my life Until I stepped on a stage Like yeah, talk about being frightened. I mean I mean people say all the time like okay, you know how you feel You like kettlebell sport. You know how like if you have clients are like oh, I feel sick I'm I'm I feel like I'm gonna throw up before my set. I'm like oh, hey, don't worry because I'll be there with you I'm gonna yeah, I'm feel so nervous and sick. They're like no way You're so experiencing good. I'm like it doesn't matter. I want to do so well I want to show the best form I possibly can And I get certain I'm talking about right now my palms are sweating. Yeah, just thinking about holding that snatcher long cycle or when that you know time to go when the bell go when the buzzer goes and it's like three two one lift like yeah I mean So some of us that sympathetic nervous system drive we have is just it's on like I mean mine is on and that's one of the reasons why I float because I'm so Uh, I don't know. I'm so sympathetic driven. Yeah, that I have to do the other stuff And I think people don't realize like how important it is for stress Management for people that want to do well You know like our brains just at least my brain. I'm sure you're it's doesn't stop. It's yeah You and I have to have a similar thing. I think I haven't I have what I call an unquiet mind like there is yeah almost always something going on There's always something I'm thinking about and if I'm yeah, it's if it's not one job. It's another job If it's not that job. It's a hobby. If it's not that it's you know, you know, I just I my brain almost very rarely Shots down like to the point that it drives my wife crazy like you've got the you know a picture of of the beach behind you Like we were at a beach in in Miami basically and Like we we sat there for 20 minutes and I could chill out for like the first 15 20 minutes And then I got up and started you know started doing yoga. I sat back down And then and then and then I went and got in the ocean and then I came back and then sat down and for a little while And then I started doing push ups and won't my wife was just like you can't sit still can you like you don't know Just still yeah, it's not my it's not the way I'm wired but I know that that parasympathetic system Like it's so important for people like us to be able to activate it because otherwise like you're just a car That's redlined all the time right Right, I've never I've never floated tell tell people tell people about Floatation and and what and what it actually is because I like I want to do it and I need to find a float I need to find a float tank near me Tell people about what it is for people that are uninitiated or have no idea what you're talking about when you say floating so floating It basically what it is a year There's a solution of water that is water and magnesium sulfate so Epsom salts usually people do a cup or so of Epsom salts Maybe end up with a pound of magnesium sulfate in your 50 gallons of bath water whatever so we have tanks or tubs or whatever rooms cabins That hold 250 to 300 gallons of water and over a thousand pounds of magnesium sulfate So what that does is brings a salinity so high it's higher than the dead sea people go to the dead sea to float So you you go in you effortlessly float now a lot of people call these sensory deprivation chambers I think that's a terrible way of Describing what it is and I'll tell you why when you say someone wants to get in kettlebell sport and you're like Oh, you mean that 10-minute near-death experience? You're gonna love it Right and everyone we can talk about that. We're like, are you ready to you ready to die? Yeah, you ready to die on the platform You're not gonna talk to that. I don't talk to the people like new people. I'm like, yeah, we're not competing You're not competing you get approved that you are able to get to this point and then if you want to I'll guide you but I don't ever push any of my members at all people that I'm helping like It's the point if you you want to we'll do it. But anyway, so back to floating um So it's reduced environmental stimulation technique rest So our goal is to activate the parasympathetic nervous system So what we're doing is that's the one that slows everything down for people that aren't aware You can take parachute parasympathetic slows everything to home calming down. So rest and digest The opposite of opposite of fight fight wait fight flea freeze, you know reaction So we're doing is when you try to go to sleep What you should be doing you should be putting your damn phone down You should be not listen not watching saw 75 Um, you shouldn't be arguing about people and trolls on the internet about You know elections or things or whatever you you should be calming down you should Focus on your breathing So anyway the lights down as low as possible basically nothing So we're trying to do is tell your your This our senses tell our brain give a brain input and our brain says oh There's no threat here So you can relax You can Turn you off body and all of a sudden a breathing rate slows a heart rate slows and we enter a recuperative state That's what sleep should be right So you wake up in the morning and you feel refreshed or whatever So that's what we're trying to get with floating so floating is nothing but a cultivated environment for relaxation or meditation So you're floating effortlessly on the everlessly on that water think about shavasana and yoga For instead of five minutes you get 60 minutes with zero pressure on your right scapula that hurts real bad Because you tore your sub scapularis blah blah blah Um, so there's no there's very little pressure because it's water. It's kind of like being on a water bed without a skin Um, the the temperature of the water is the same temperature as your skin. So pretty soon you start not feeling it Um, it feels like you're floating in the middle of you can't tell if it's water or air Um, you're like a kayak. That's how a kayak feels is a couple inches of you the water's only 10 inches deep So when you get in there your butts on the ground you lean back and you're nothing everything's just floating on the ground So it aligns your skeletal system and your skeleton It aligns it when your muscle relaxes you don't have that That crunching feeling in your lumbar area that you possibly have you know um from sitting all day or from the edlifting Squatting every day rack position whatever rack position all that stuff and then so after that once your brain says hey body you're not under any threat You've been breathing you've activated your parasympathetic nervous system and guess what we're gonna go on a little twilight Possibly a little uh creative you're gonna write a novel steven king too Um, you know, but like people get super creative. It's it's almost like you're in a lucid dream kind of like you're On the edge of sleep, but you're still there and it's just it's just uh And then all of a sudden the bell goes on or whatever your the uh alarm says hey, it's time to get up and you're like no I need more Yes, like if you have kids if people that you know train a lot. I mean there's a reason why All the high-level CrossFit athletes didn't do it, you know, I mean yeah I think we're on James is big on it too. There's like there's a huge Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of high-level athletes that are that are all that are all about Yes, I mean just hearing you talk about it. I'm like God. I want to don't want to do that So completely unload my skeletal system and so like be able to just like unlock everything and I mean it sounds it sounds fantastic Like the first time you do it, it's kind of it can be kind of weird. It's a new new environment, right? Like if I go and lift at your gym or your your place with you It's I've never been there before. I'm gonna be a little nervous. I know what kind of those are I'm gonna pick up 220's and I'm gonna go at it But it's still going to be like looking around and you know, it's just but once you've done it a couple times like oh Yeah, it feels like home blah blah blah, and you know what to do. You know what to expect and all of a sudden We'll get your playlist going. We'll put your metal on man. We'll let you rock out to whatever you want Yeah, so that's kind of how it is you're just curating an environment for someone to feel comfortable That's a way from all the hectic stuff in their life. So it's I mean, I do I love kid. I love my kids How do you how can you be a good parent if you're let's say it's been so incredibly stressful and you know the the cries They're almost like setting you off is like oh, it's oh I just need some time alone You get an hour. I mean you get a babysitter for an hour and and it just connects you back to everything and your senses are recalibrated It's not sensory deprivation sensory recalibration Yeah, but yeah, I like the way I like the way you describe that and I like the rest the rest acronym too like that Uh, because you're you're right when they say sensory deprivation I was always a little bit like I was a little bit like I don't know that makes me like I'm not sure I want to I'm not sure I want to try that like that like I don't I don't need to be deprived right Right, so it's not depriving anything. It's just reducing So it's like if someone comes your place and they're usually looking to 24s for jerks And they're complaining about their neck hurting and then I give them to 16s Are we giving to 16s and go over the form and you like yeah, dude you're growing your head back on those 24s That's why your neck's hurting and all of a sudden they go back Take some read they reduce that stimulation they go with 16s and they ramp it back up and next time they're at 24 So I'm not having those because they unloaded That makes sense Yeah, it's a similar. It's just I can talk forever about that But also, it's not like Joe Rogan sends everybody to floating That's what popularized floating in the last five six years or so So I heard through Joe Rogan They're like well, how much mushrooms do you have like dude you need to Like that's not what we're about like you're but anyway, so it's like yeah He's helped a lot as far as even with kettlebells like how do you hear about kettlebells? Oh Joe Rogan and on it like okay. This is very different But double-munchy comments Yeah, yeah, and that's okay You know, but like let's show you a let's show you a better way Stop with your 30-second Instagram flows and whatever like we'll show you proper stuff first I mean that video of Joe Rogan doing those gorilla cleans like I look at his wrist like just getting swarmed back into in the hyperflexion And I'm like oh god that looks terrible like look like anybody in any LA fitness or life fitness that picks up a kettlebell Even under some of their trainers that I see and like at what point do you say I got to say something on this video You know like yeah, I struggle I struggle with that because it's like it's the like Mind your own business. It's not your you know stay in the lane. It's not it's not this isn't your house But then at a certain point too. It's also like as an ethical human at an ethical as an ethical human being You're like that person is going to hurt themselves And I have knowledge that can prevent them from hurting themselves I feel a moral obligation to to tell them Something that will prevent them from injuring Right and people I think people have such an ego And okay think about this now I have my page you have your page whatever someone disagrees with like fuck you get out of here This is my shit or Like or we can get away from that and like you know explain to me like what's whatever Let's let's open this conversation up. Maybe with some people who learn I saw you doing some good stuff on kettlebell kings page When someone was posting something and you didn't like blast like I wanted to be like oh my god like oh whatever like holy ultimate warrior But you know you open it up to like here's Can we give you some advice? You know, I did this. I got hurt when I started doing this now. I learned this way but I saw this guy He was a triathlete masters triathlete like seven-time world champion or something in his form Was not the best with kettlebells So instead of me being like What I wanted to do like don't do uh gross or something like that. Yeah, I was like I'm sorry for the Un, you know uncalled for Critique or whatever what's what's the word? Thank you. Thank you. I have a I have a Instagram account called unsolicited fitness advice Anyway, we'll not talk about that But anyway, so I said I'm sorry for the unsolicited fitness advice, but I'd be happy to give you a couple pointers if it's something you'd be interested in The next morning I got a thing from this guy. I mean he's got 70,000 something way more people than I do Yeah, you know and um and he goes man I have highly appreciate that. I love learning from people. I'd be happy to if you could give me a couple tips I'd post like Incorporate them and maybe then show the video show where I came from show to this if you don't mind And hopefully I can get some people my running triathlete community into your stuff because since an ad is a running city It's not a kettlebell city. Yeah, it's fucking it's got the flying pig and people come from all over the country for that thing Yeah But anyway, and I said Absolutely shoot me a couple videos. It's gonna take me five minutes to give this dude some some pointers And he's gonna launch me ever already had like he tagged one thing is like 50 new people following so they're they're getting the right Help but he didn't have an ego about it. That was what beauty what was beautiful And if we get rid of that's I try to get rid of the ego when I Lift or write something um You know, I don't know. I think we have those places are our we mark our territory online You know early for people do and like yeah Throwing all the stuff out and you can just it you know, it just stinks of Territorial pissing really is what it is But I mean the thing we can think about like how deleterious it was especially early on in kettlebell for the spread of kettlebell in the US Right you and I were both starting around the same time like I started around 2008 2009 just like you did and at that time Like you had the RKC camp which was really really strong and growing really fast And then you have Larry Federenko's camp that was that was not growing as fast, you know And IKF was was IKFF was in there as well But but mostly mostly it was those two because they both came from Russia They're both trying to populate as kettlebells in America and you know, and you had one camp saying This is the right way to lift a kettlebell right rather than and rather than just being like no There's more than one right way and let me show you my way And you can decide for yourself what's best for you No, Larry Larry and Pablo basically were like one way no, this is right way This is right way and and they just got in there like you said Territorial pissing match and now you've got these like tribes of people And unfortunately it's evolved and there's you know people like you and I who are like There is no wrong way to use a kettlebell. It's a tool. Yeah, so one is it safe. It's okay. What what's your goal? Let's talk about the depends factor right like it depends on what you're trying to accomplish But you know, speaking of the band, I'd like to be lifting until I have to wear depends. How about that exactly right like that's the point longevity I've I've really made it a point to start speaking to people and I say I This is one of my lines that I repeat regularly now is like I measure the success of the I measure my success in decades Not days weeks months or even years. I'm looking for decades of success, right? Yeah, I'm I'm now at a decade You know, I'm over a decade of having lost a hundred pounds. That's the ideal to me You know, right? I want to be at multiple decades. I want to age into master of sport, right? I don't know if I'll ever be able to handle the double 32s well enough to actually achieve master of sport But I'm hoping that I can stay strong enough with the 24s long enough that I will age into be able to be a master of sport in a legends division Right like that's that's my goal, right? And I like I say kind of jokingly, but it's also somewhat serious. Like I want to be that old guy. I want to be that old guy That's like holy shit that guy is still fucking strong. He's right that's a seven-year-old guy that can still deadlift four Four fucking plates on each side and he's mobile and yeah, who is that you can go up and down the stairs without complaining about his knee Yeah exactly. Yeah, that's that's what I that's what I'm going for and I like I love your point about like if you can get rid of ego and you can Assess and just say oh, maybe that person has something valid to to bring to my to my experience or they have something they have something that I can I can I can take in and I can be I can be better right like because I there's there's no way any one person can ever know anything, right? So you have you have to be able to take in information from other people But that requires that you acknowledge internally like oh this person might know more than me I should probably I should probably listen to them right or I should at least hear what they have to say Right that that requires a little bit of a little bit of sacrificing your own ego sometimes Sure, I talked to a friend. I'm not going to mention name, but I talked to a very high high-level highly respected Wow factor user of kettlebells um, and he's like I don't know what to post today And I was like he's like I just kind of feel like I'm lute and like I'm not creative anymore I don't have this like it's kind of what's the point and like it's okay don't worry about it Like you can't post something different Every single day or even every other day because if you do that's 180 unique things a year Some people are doing this multiple times a day So you get to the point where these people are pumping out these programs that 22 different muscle building programs like you are full of fucking shit Like because there's not no way Like I mean, there's not 22 different versions of west side barbell No, right now why do we have 22 different versions kettlebell? so people are just getting kind of oversaturated and It's the what's the word what's the kids using today phomo fear of missing out yeah dude like okay I sometimes I'm like oh if I don't write about this I'm gonna lose opportunity Then I'm like fuck that because you got to take care of your mental wellness I'm like, okay, I'll I'll chime in on something later I'm gonna take a deep breath and get past this one But like my goal is to produce Something that works very very well and not be on the top of Google's Daniels like algorithm for chronic repetit chronic repeated posting You know because we got chronic repetitious stress from doing whether typing or keyboard and whatever or wrenching all day and then doing kettlebells These same thing you have chronic repetitious posting and mess up your mind by constantly Trying to stay on top of stuff. I mean trying to game the algorithm and that's not even an audience that you own That's your renting space in somebody else's forum by allowing them to have your data essentially That's that's how you pay the rent to be on the social on the social media platforms That's not even an audience you own and and they can change the algorithm tomorrow anytime All that effort that you put into building your following can it happens all the time man like oh yeah, I'll have a At what we have maybe 1300 videos that I've put on YouTube on our channel your YouTube content like you've put out so much stuff like there's like I've had people be like you need to start making more YouTube videos and like again the imposter syndrome thing I'm like, but what am I going to put out that joe daniel? Well, but I mean that's a thing like even now you know with some of the best out there they recycle content Yeah, they'll I mean it's the thing like if I write something okay I have a video that let's just say that got real popular It's one of the most pop it's got half a million views on Form for kettlebell right yeah with a non an rkc bell with a competition bell And it's got shitty background sound I did it five six years ago Five tips to improve your swing five tips to watch out for your kettlebell swing There's nothing to do with kettlebell sport, but it's the thing that everybody gets with a kettlebell They go to a gym they're doing swings and are you know how you know how they do but anyway people the comments are mostly That sounds terrible the sound is what's that sound the back of lawnmower? I'm like well I did my I have a 5,000 square foot gym back then All mostly kettlebells, you know and then the electricity went out So I went outside and shot a video and it just happened to be like What everybody needed at that time was how to just the basic basics But anyway, I'm gonna redo that one And it's gonna jump up again because you know, we got so much traffic on that YouTube that I post a new thing Even if it's something I've already done, but people do that all the time Yeah, look at some of those. I hate to say it and I don't want to sound like Like I'm being a dick about this but kettlebell flows For beginners For people like you know a 10 exercise movement thing for a person that's never touched kettlebells. I think is silly Especially to start super super basic, but anyway like I've been doing kettlebells for over 10 years And I can tell you I've done less than 10 kettlebell flows in that I mean, I just won't do them like it's not like I'm if I'm gonna do a clean and a press and then a drop lunge and that like I'm gonna break that up into different movements So I can focus on what's the intention behind that movement and do the drop lunge and then do it and then do the press and like the flow Like I get it. It's a cool thing. It's fun. And it's challenging in a different way. It's just not my jam I'm the same exact way and like I said for people that love it like man. Okay. What's the dude? Online I don't know what's real in it, but it's daring daring 10 or something like oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Maybe yeah, I'm not I'm gonna blank on his name Dude awesome like that's just I mean that's incredible the stuff that he does with juggling and stuff like that also like I don't totally get into to juggling all the time. There's some people like I don't have to try to do it to to respect it you know Yeah, but some of the stuff out there that people are like oh, yeah Well, why don't you do that like because your goal is to get muscle and that's not gonna do it You are not gonna gain muscle with a 26 pound kettlebell You're not going to Let's let's get into this because I know this this is a this is a topic that's near and dear to both of our hearts So you you mentioned you're you're 230 pounds. How tall are you? um A little bit taller than a shrimp I'm like five eight yeah, okay, I think I remember you have five nine five eight. Okay. I'm just under six one And I'm about 260 pounds You're 230 pounds Most people would describe both of us as something short of a brick shithouse or you know in some in some form or fashion and You use 95% kettlebells for your training. I use Probably pretty close to that maybe a little bit less than that But like pretty close to that 90% probably and yet the Myth persists. Yeah, you can't build muscle with just kettlebells now you created a program Specifically specifically designed for will use the technical term hypertrophy with with only kettlebells It's the kettlebell only muscle program, right? So kettlebell only muscle gain. Yep. Tell us tell us about that program because you know Our mutual friend Tim Tim Boyer did that program loves it shout out to Tim what up, dude And and so tell me tell me a like how long have you been working on that and be like how is that what's the what's the philosophy behind it? How can you crush the myth of you can't build muscle with just kettlebells besides from Obviously the awesome program that you put out that will work for people So first of all when people say they look at like I want okay Let's just say they want to look like me and when you say here comes that weird Visualization when you're like dude, you're built big whatever you're built whatever I'm like man. I look down and I see my arms are thin. I look down sometimes But then I see a picture or I see a video of somebody in like my back looks like Like a freak walking between other people and I can't get through a Like a door the size door right and but when I look down, I'm like okay, that doesn't something's not registering Yeah, I know I know that I'm big. It just feels weird. You second gas. I'm like hmm, but anyway so the whole thing about Not just building a hypertrophy program with kettlebells because people have that I mean I There's some good stuff out there um, but only kettlebells was I mean because of quarantine. It started and I How I train people is I asked them to do what I would ask myself to do I treat people how I want to be treated If I'm gonna say fuck you. I'm gonna expect you to tell me to fuck me back like fuck off But um fuck you for that smoker complex. That's just innocent. Oh Yeah, dude. That was awesome. I don't know. I like to train legs But anyway, I had the brilliant idea of doing it after my after my jerk training, which was good It's just a brilliant day anyways. We're supposed to do that on an active recovery day Okay, no one knows what active recovery is here. Let's talk. Anyway Later, but so during quarantine I wasn't gonna go down the street to my training center because nobody else could Yeah, they're like, well, why don't you just train with your barbells and all that stuff and I'm like because You're not and you're my clients and I'm not gonna have you do it Why don't you go float every day and chill out and like because we're closed to the public So if I'm gonna ask you to do something I'm not gonna have this magic borrowed money machine throwing stuff at me When everybody doesn't have any income You know, so I basically said okay, you have these kettlebells. I'm gonna bring kettlebells to my house That's all I'm gonna use And I'm just gonna make videos kettlebell only kettlebell only they're like well you can you build muscle? I'm like well, I'm gonna sure hell try And I started doing tests and once we could open back my gym Open back swingness to Certain people that I you know trusted is taking shit seriously Um, and also our Kentucky governor would Said we could have um in person stuff. I said okay, we're testing stuff kettlebells only There's no barbells there's no bands and no this I want to make something that people can do at their house So I came up with this you know, we tested it and I was like what did you think about that that area and it's not arms back Chest and legs day, okay, because kettlebells you don't have machines you don't have benches You don't have what you have to work with the kettlebells So sometimes most of the time you're standing or you're in some whatever position It's full body all the time So what I move like body parts. It's not body parts. It's not concentrated isolation for Delt's right where you sit down on the Smith machine and a hammer machine and whatever But I've been there I've done that did well So I took what I knew from that and tried to put it into kettlebell so like okay Well day one is gonna be lots of leg day It's going to be mostly pushing legs and then we're going to do more upper body and it's going to be pressing You know upper body then the next day We're going to do a pulling legs so pulling with legs involved pulling with upper body Um, but we didn't have a pull-up bar so Had to do stuff with that and then the last day was kind of like a compound accessory stuff You know kettlebells with with calves and a little bit more grip and pulling and stuff like that So it morphed into a week and I'm like okay Let's let's expand that and do kind of like a wave like program We're not going to do the exact eight sets of eight double jerks Um, we're not going to do nine sets of eight. We're not going to do eight sets of nine We I picked different stuff and we did alternating prep so basically we're just kind of waving the different types of Do you remember DC training in bodybuilding? Oh, yeah, yeah intense muscle. Yeah, okay doll crap training Yeah, so kind of I use a little bit of like that. So if I couldn't do push presses With the weight then I said okay, well, I'm going to do jerks So it was a way that I could keep challenging that But it also affected you know how I thought so we just kind of rolled through different exercises on those days And it ended up being I'm like okay eight weeks now eight weeks is not Gonna make a drastic change on a human, but it is going to get you I gave like Nearly 30 different workouts that were still progressive and people loved it. So like I called it muscle gain I could could have called it strength game, but if someone didn't gain strength they would have complained You know, so I just whatever fuck it muscle gain Um, it was really just good for body recomposition Um, so a lot of people that have tried it they really liked it, but the kicker is Take a little rest after that and don't go right into it something different and then do it again And then you know That that snatch to Turkish get up day You know that when you did 24 kilograms the first time you can handle 28 this time In the second time going through and it's I just I wanted to create a program instead of just having Simple and sinister right and that's what everyone does on reddit anyone that does anything with kettlebell and reddit That's what they do so And that's great because you're in catabels, but man That's like I don't know To me, it's like playing Call of Duty every single day or life It's the same thing over and over even if it's a different field It's the same thing and I think that gave people some repetitious strain injuries, right? You know in Turkish get ups and swings every one arm swings every time you train up to six days a week I don't know, but I know what repetitious strain is and I know what 10 and I just feels like golfer's elbow sucks And that's easy to get when you jump into doing kettlebells pattern overload is definitely a thing that you need to be mindful of Yes, so anyway there it jumped in there and then I love doing complexes and made a complex program with only kettlebells And then yeah, kind of that's it now we're in the middle of like that now that's not it because you also said You know what? I also want to help people get into sport that are not that they're like that have decided They want to get into sport so you did kettlebell intro intro to sport as another program So you creative juices have been flowing man you'd have you you're crank your cranked shit out man. I'm impressed. It's awesome If I if I packaged some of the stuff I've had or the ten year there's probably 40 to 50 40 to 50 different program means I've because a different program You're just as different as this guy. It's lifting you know A road something different. So it's just there's so many different ways and that's because kettlebells There's so many different angles. There's so many different things you can do like You train somebody for jujitsu or something or judo. Let's say judo because it's pretty different A lot of hip throws a lot of different things like that and forward and backwards lateral and all that stuff It's going to be total different than I would train somebody playing tennis Yeah, yeah, so we've got all the different programs. Well, and then there's bio the biomechanic differences too Like even you and even you and me who a lot of people to a lot of layman they would look at us and be like Oh, those guys are built kind of the same like they probably they're probably they probably do very you know move very Similarly, but you're snatched style very different than mine. I have longer arms than you right I have an old back injury, right? You know like we're built differently like we move differently because bio individuality sure is a big rack position I cannot I can't get First of all they're I don't know that's not even talk about but I just I don't have a Rack position conducive to kettlebell sport. I have the shortest humorous That's probably why I was good at bodybuilding But like I'm shorter bone structure. I have a longer torso. So My legs look real big. I created an X my lats came down to a very short waist But it tapered and then my legs jumped out because I have very big quads act the adapters and glutes But when I went back to that training I was 165 pounds when I was competing at Welterweight and 172 that's literally not much difference At a middleweight in my competitive bodybuilding stuff. So people said well you had a base of bodybuilding like 172 pounds I stopped with all that and 90% has been kettlebells for a decade. Yes, I did some barbell deadlifts Yes, I did some squats. Yes, I like but I love hammering my legs And you know like doing strong when I first started on kettlebell sport. I did strong sport with valeri So I thought that was a great way to get people started. I don't know why it hasn't taken off A four-minute set and set a ten-minute set. Yeah, that's like calling it reduced environmental stimulation versus sensory deprivation I'm allowing people to get in like strong people like you know power lifters that can take a 36 kilogram bell clean and right that we did who were I was over three I was over 300 pounds When I first started lifting, but I had a I had like a 1,500-pound total and power lifting So I was I was big and strong I couldn't last more than five minutes the first time I tried to do a full-long cycle set I made it to about minute six and threw up like I couldn't I could not go I thought I could I was arrogant, but like right, but then I but then I when I met valeri fedarenco and he was like oh You should do strong sport. I was like His strong sports when exactly what I did playing playing around with the 32s the 36s like And that was fun for me because it was like I was in my wheelhouse of competites right like heavy weights Shorter duration right like then I started feeling successful and then I got hooked on The like kettlebell sport and then I was like then I had the other guys being like oh kettlebell sport is only 10 minutes Right like you're not a real lifter until you can make the full 10 minutes and then I was like oh, okay So then that's what that's what really kind of got me pulled into like kettlebell sport, but like yeah I think we need to lower that barrier of entry like that's one of the things I like about bolt like bolt is right Bolt is lowering the barrier of entry so that people of any fitness level can come get on the platform and compete So one of the last ones that I competed was When I got a CMS was in Chicago at the The the kettlebell sport summit I ended up doing triathlon which I was there for that with the 32 with the 32s, right? Yeah, I think triathlons incredible You got five minute sets three of them, but that shows proficiency in all yeah, right and Freaking long cycle comes after snatch like what yeah, what like the most I think the most taxing Is at the end and wow, but anyway, yeah, so I mean that that's something that I like to get people in so I kind of wrote that Intro to kettlebell sport not Saying here's tests of 10 minutes like we did the first week is learning stuff the second week is 65% of rank three Whatever the rank three for if you want to do like ket academy or whatever you can use you know 24's or whatever But I think it jumped a bunch of these people that were doing some programs with me into that they're like dude I just did 28 snatches in a row With you know one-hands or 40 snatches in a row with one hand switch with a with a 28 I'm like awesome That is great because if someone said hey Do 10 minutes straight and you have to do it and what are you gonna be using a 12? Yeah, and no dude most guys would be like fuck that I'm done. I ain't doing it because of ego Yeah, cuz it's embarrassing right the first 10 minutes that I completed completed was with the 16 dude great And I was like and I was like I was I was I was honest that I was embarrassed because of my ego I'm like I would you know I the first competition said I did on snatch Jerry Gray beat me in snatch and you know Jerry's Fucking awesome. He's very great. We all want to be when we But the thing is Jerry Gray is not stopping so we can't catch him until he stops. Yeah, I talked to him literally last week I said dude I'm he goes man great set and I said dude just trying to catch up to you But you're still just racing away. Yeah, so I remember when in 2010 when I first opened in my small training center swing when I first opened swing this To public Jerry drove down from Michigan and was going through Cincinnati He goes do you mind if I stop and I had only heard of the dude one of the ladies that I trained figure competitive wise It was her uncle, I believe or cousin or something in her family I said of course stop by we ended up snatching together It was so cool and he still remembers it and I remember it and that now we're talking about that 11 years later Yeah And I'll never for all never forget that that set because I was like I got done and I was like dude This guy beat this guy beat me and he's he's 70 years old. Yeah, I'm half his age and he did more reps than me with the with the same weight Oh my god, I've got a I've got a hundred pounds and you know three decades of youth on him and he and he beat me with the On half of that didn't he? Yeah, I've got a lot to learn But yeah, like I wasn't ashamed of it. I thought it was super cool I was just like oh my god, that's insane. I got to stay in the sport And that's a thing like the only person that thought that that was embarrassing at all is you Yeah, everybody else is like watching like oh my god. Whoa like that's cool. It's like rep 79 like you know Like they don't know that weight And I think that's another thing about weight like when you see kettlebells especially with sport kettlebells People don't realize that someone's handling or a lady's handling a 24 like that's insane like yeah I watch Lorna Climbing and like oh my I want to snatch like you She's my next guest actually I'm interviewing on Monday, so you know, see it. I'm kind of psychic, but anyway, like that stuff's great like I I just think of it as percentage of body weight too like that helps me contextualize it because I'm like when you like when you like when you look at like you know I'm trying to I'm not blanking on everybody's name, but the girl from Canada that that is like you know Super super short, but she's always thrown around the the 24's like she's Amazing you see Lorna snatching and you're like she's throwing a 24 around and that's half her that's half her body weight You know, like it's it's insane like you see Kim Fox thrown around throwing around the double 24's on long cycle and it's like Mm-hmm the output is is ridiculous, you know, so it's yeah, and when I equate it I'm like for me to do that like for it to be analogous. I would have to be lifting 50 kilo bells Mm-hmm, that's like that's that's what it is like people like oh like yeah, like you're doing two thirds of her body weight like it's it's crazy Like it's it's just nuts Oh, they've got five plates on the ball on each side like you just don't see that in Says my internet's unstable Yeah, it's just you froze for a second there, but I'm assuming you were talking about the how the size of the bells kind of hides like Highs what you're putting out because the bells are the same are all the same sides like unless you know what the colors mean Like here here's another thing like about kettlebell sport like okay We've competed. I've competed the Arnold a lot people come and go and they watch and they try to drum up They're like oh look over here's the big weights, you know 28 32 kilogram and people like cool and they're like Okay, so what like this is fucking born so kettlebell sport unless you're doing it or you know about it It's fucking boring to watch yeah, right? Oh, I yeah my wife has offered to come like she's literally come to one competition To watch me lift and brought our kids and like she's offered to come more like almost every time and I'm like No, that's okay like I understand. This is not super entertaining I mean, it's not like crossed over people are doing, you know, you drop in something and so maybe I think that really is one of the things that Hinder certain people from Getting or getting bigger because you're watching the same thing over and over now if we had if we added something Um, and I've been trying to work on this but relays so more stuff like Dude even though triathlon it's still five minutes in a row of watching a person do Rep after rep of the same thing So if we had something like relays where you literally tag team I keep bringing the warrior back But you know if it was like tag team you like you do a minute of this and then this person has to do a minute and then you rotate through Instead of your you know, one and done next person Dude, I think there could be something really cool to that You know what crossfit brought in the competitive arena You know or whatever what was the other company? Where's the other thing grid or whatever you have people that are good Heavyweight you people that are good at body weight Like something could be done. I think But since kettlebells such that such an ethnic traditional no change involved thing You know the only way we would do something different is if it became like Just very different. I don't know. I don't even I'm rambling. You don't even know. I like I like the one second I gotta run. I'll be right back. Yeah, no problem But yeah, I just think I mean I think that's gonna be always a hindering thing when it comes to getting people into it um, I mean now Moses has the youth kettlebells sizes, you know actual real kettlebells There are awesome that helps people that we can give those to our kids the accessibility there Yeah, um that wasn't there before. I mean you have to use what Plastic weights or little yeah a little little plastic ones. Yeah, I mean And like you said our kids just watch and they how did you learn that like why I watched you Yeah, because we're all your role models like you're doing things that are That are physically healthy, you know mentally taking care of when you're when you're cussing at the car My wife goes why Why did Rowney? Why did why did you say that Rowan? Well daddy says that they said that when he drives Yeah, that's like you say please and thank you a thousand times. They don't pick up on that But you know you say fuck once and it's just uh, yeah, or it's a fox, but yeah But yeah, I mean it's not just you get up and go about it Um trying to think like back to the muscle thing about kettlebells. I mean I He I'm gonna put it as one phrase leave my mark work There you go Joe name leave my mark work. Just look at the dude That guy lifts for kettlebell marathons and his the muscle mass that he has when I love him like leave I That is the coolest profile picture ever how are your veins like garden hoses on Bowling balls like dude you think I got muscle look at that dude. What the heck but he's come but look how he's training I mean Yeah, he's lifting heavy He's lifting it often. He's you know Um, and that's what he's doing. I mean you don't ever see Levi doing dead lifts or squats with barbells Um, I see him do a Turkish get up with barbells and you can't count that that's not a Barbell only exercise that's it doesn't matter what you use it could be it that's a Turkish get up, but just you know, he He always trains Um, he always lifts heavy um, but yeah, so muscle can be built Um one is that there's a like It's con contraction of the focused muscle group On the implement, you know, focus contraction on against the implement against the load is what stimulates growth Right, so if you're If you're taking like grab a heavy kettlebell and do a crush grip curl squeeze your chest as hard as you fucking can Yeah, and then take it down as low as you can and squeeze your biceps as hard as you can while squeezing your chest as hard as you can And your grip as hard as you can and tell me that you won't grow those muscles Yeah, I mean because all of those things are you you're you're you're requiring focused intense contraction of the target muscle groups like that's what bodybuilders do to stimulate growth It's not about garbage volume. It's about focused intense contraction against the load right and like you can do that with any Implement it doesn't matter so long as it's it stimulates overload The muscle will grow if yes and you're and you're adequately fueling your your body's ability to grow a new tissue through diet Sure, the muscle will grow So a lot of people say well, you're The whole momentum thing is beyond ridiculous when I mean, okay Yeah, you're gonna if you accelerate 35 pounds. Let's just say we We swing 35 pounds It's like going to build anything anyway unless unless you're At that level where it might, you know, but okay. So yeah, it floats a little bit Um 150 pound kettlebell does not float. It does not float. You're gonna you're gonna put so much effort in that and then not only Contracted but to absorb it From yanking your ass to the face to the ground. Yeah, your face will hit the ground before your ass will um But and to bring it back and not only do you know A max of three reps, but probably eight to ten to 15 or something like that, okay, and then once you can get 20 what do you think it's gonna happen? But I think people see it as fast moving stuff. So if I'm gonna do okay. Yeah, he put 148 kilogram over his head, but he uses legs to do it Okay, but pretty soon he's gonna be just using your arms But when people see kettlebell sport and we're dropping the weights down and absorbing with our legs Because we're not trying to tire out our arms, right? It's a leg dominant sport for jerk Your your legs are launching it your arms are stabilizing it We're not pushing you know, you're you're launching There's a little push against but it's not what people think it's not like a push press um With the barbell pushing it with your arms. You're not gonna last the 10 exactly Yeah, so and then just go heavier so once once 24 isn't doing much and all of a sudden you're jumping And people are finally realizing there is such a thing as a as a 28 kilogram in between the 32 24 to 30 I had two 24s and I jumped up to a 32s and I'm like oh Oh I always equate it like I try and break it down for people is just simple math because I'm like You realize the idea is progressive overload and you want the minimum clinically effective dose Great and so so when you go from 24 kilos to 32 kilos you just did like What is that that's eight eight additional kilos which is 40% more Logan right at a high level already That is a massive jump that the research shows that anything over a 10% increase Start the j curve on injury risk starts going Yep Once you're over 10% over increase over previous capacity the j curve of injury risk starts going up exponentially Right, so when you do a 40% increase in load like it's not a matter of if you're going to hurt yourself It's a matter of which rep Yeah, like you're going to hurt yourself if you if you go that if you go that heavy that fast like there's a reason I have 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 like I have all of the gap the gap weights because Those are all 10% incremental increases basically like here's something that worked really well for me over Over quarantine and I don't lift as heavy as I used to a couple years ago And that's just as because I'm just so busy and you know, I don't have time to fuel as much as I used to Um, but let that's not either here and are there and you don't need that stress either like that is I don't that's part of your total stress load is the the Trimney's ego I don't need to I don't have to keep up with Stephen with Rhino strength doing stuff I don't have to I don't have to keep up the Levi We're buddies and that's we don't have to like show whose kettlebells bigger um I Did we just we just buy for followers just kidding um, but what I did was like how can I get stronger over over this Quarantine without lifting a bunch of with getting heavy weights all the time So I got another kettlebell which I'm always testing different companies kettlebells And I was like well, do I get another 24 do I get a 28 I'm like no, I'm gonna get a 26 but I'm never gonna touch A 24 so every time that I would go to get a 24 normally it was always gonna be it it was always the 26 so that 4.4 pound increase became my new baseline And it wasn't like you said it wasn't a big thing, but I used so much Volume and now it's my favorite weight like I absolutely love this 26 that I have um And I'd rather use it. It feels better to me than some 24's do But it's heavier and then over the course of months I can do a lot more stuff in the 54 I'm sorry in the 50 pound range. I'm closer to 57 now Just because of you know That's the car I'm driving all the time. Yeah, you acclimated yourself to that weight Yeah And that handle though. So that's what's weird too because it's that one's a great legs gearia and the handle is Is uh and yeah me I'm using using cast ironbell sometimes I mean because it's a different training stimulus. It feels totally different 24 cast iron feels totally different than 24 competition Oh, yeah, the center the center of gravity is different the center of mass is so different the dimensions are different right there's handles are different thickness and I'm a big fan of not using the exact same all the time because Then I get that and I wanted to have that and when I have this I want to have I want to have strength in all spots Um my my goal has always been like I want strength Where my end range of motion is I don't want just strength in the perfect power curve, you know Like if I let the clutch out in first gear. I don't want to stall out if you know what I mean if I let it out in third gear I don't want it to I don't want it to rattle those to install too I want to have strength when I'm and that's where I keep my injuries down If I can have strength one my arms way back here. Whoops. I did appear disappeared into a tree Um, if I can have strength my arm way back here I'm definitely going to be fine when it's here So that's why I do all the mobility stuff I do and you know socks presses and z presses and all sorts of different stuff versus just the standing normal thing where people like well, you just keep hammering I want to see you press a 56. I'm like, uh, that's not gonna happen And I don't really care because yeah, but I want to be able to press like a A six uh, a 28 Double 28s from a seated, you know, asked to the grass level squat Sops press both of those things. Yeah, that's what I'd rather have than because it's not he it's not that not that hard standing That's yeah, that's that's really hard to do it like I'm doing a good socks press I mean, but you're yeah, your mobility and strength in and range motion positions is really really impressive I mean for uh, if people think it's if people think it's easy Grab a very light pair of of kettlebells and go do an ask to grass socks press and tell me how you do because I can probably do that with I'm gonna say 12s maybe 16s Definitely not 20s. I will I will hurt myself You know, and I'm so surprised that is how many people have a lot of kettlebell strength But only but unilaterally Um, so if we start going double Double presses are much more akin to barbell presses because If I could with the barbell you can't just press one side Yeah, you know, but if you only use a barbell all the time and never a dumbbell or kettlebell or fatbell If you're always relying on that you might be 55 45 yeah, right? So you're not dominant arm doesn't have to do as much work because it's a bilateral load Still stuck and I can press hard outward and the bar won't let me go So I can use that so balances got balances and is tough stability isn't as tough but um When people think I don't do doubles. They're like what I'm just gonna do press singles and they're pressing 48's you know press may a hundred six pound press But they're throwing all sorts of lateral and rotational stuff with it and they can't even press 236 is at the same time Because their mobility to get overhead they're they're leaning and here's their mobility That would be here. That's a barbell Yeah, so I can kind of see why people stay away from the doubles Because it's a lot harder. Yeah, I mean it takes it takes shoulder mobility It takes thoracic spine mobility. It takes lumbar spine mobility hip mobility like it's it's that's the biggest thing You know david keon's uh, you know up my ass all the time about how shitty my hips are and how I need to work on my mobility Which is true? I and like I need to work on my mobility more and if I'm gonna go to the next level in my lifting It's gonna be from two things. It's gonna be it's gonna be from mobility uh, and then more mobility Um, and that's one one thing that I do every day. I like recuperation more than I like training So if you ever see me like making videos or posting stuff about like self So um Self massage tools and stuff that's because I genuinely love working on muscle I absolutely love it. I will buy I have all the I have all the to it like I Well, I gotta get the aren't I've gotta get the arm made. I need to get that made um that that one is one that like I need in my arsenal I don't have it But I've got like all the all the stuff from like kabuki like the you know got the boomstick and you know the remember it only works if you use it Yeah, I know that's the funny. That's the funny I get them with the best of intentions and then I use them I use them for a while But I'm so like I'm I'm better about doing my my mobility drills than I then I have done it I'm getting that I'm getting better about it But I'm the opposite of you like I love to lift and the the stretching stuff I'm like I'm like okay like I like to and I tell my athletes don't forget to stretch like I do stretch before and after every every Lift um, but I need to do on my active recovery days is Yeah, I need to do more more mobility stuff because I still have I'm a collection of old football injuries And those those things don't heal on their own unless you rehab them I'm interestingly enough like you need to actually rehab things so yeah I'm gonna ask you because you know you're You're you're a mobility expert and you you have made posts about like four guys with my build What's the best tool that I actually should invest in like I don't have the mobility sticks like the the long sticks I know you like you you're big on you're big on those like but for some it's made up. What are the best tools? Um, the read okay, here's the reason why I'm big in the stick mobility because Yoga sucks for people that have a lot of muscle or a lot of body fat Whatever if you're just a big person like I have Yeah, so okay, my I try to tell people like say we have these same skeleton say we're five foot eight We have the exact same skeleton Whatever That's like saying here's your car Now I put giant super swamper tires on mine so no matter how far I turn The tires are gonna rub in the wheel well So that's kind of what we are getting so if we do certain yoga things like that Like if we're trying to pigeon or whatever pose or this you know, I don't know whatever there's a bunch of stuff I can't remember but anyway if I'm trying like a half pigeon or something for my hips The mobility sticks allow us to change the angle and get More Because of our size So it's kind of like an adapted let's call it an adaptive yoga or adaptive Um, so it's like using a bolster, but it's something that's like yeah because like like I had to use those especially when I was doing yoga regularly I had to use bolster blocks because absolutely this is my little dude's room You can get your stick your stick mobility stick right there. I just want to show you what I mean Okay, all right, so Tell me down see my floor So let's say that I want to externally rotate my hip, right? Oh my god, dude. This is so Okay, so I'm over here, right? I'm trying to keep my shin down on the ground Yeah, okay So what I'm gonna try to do is to try to get this better for a jerk or something hit mobility for jerk, right? That's not too bad. Let's just say jerk So here what's hindering me is this back hip flexion So I could go lower if I lean forward Yeah, or if I could put my leg up like this on a On a bed or a step or a couch or a kitchen table, right? Well things that I do. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so this Back here is what's hindering me from this Now what we can do is so let's go for more bang for a buck, right? So We're trying to get into the jerk position and we're focusing on this. Well, what what about up here? Right Yep, so now I can grab and I can go And take some of the big ass heavy weight that I have and I'm slowly lowering down on the sticks Look at that position that I'm in now I'm in an overhead jerk position Yeah, so I'm also stretching my lats my shoulders my this my that my hip thoracic mobility Yeah, it's giving you traction on both on both ends so you're getting I get it. Yeah, I can see that. So that's why I really love these guys You can because you can change It's like floating We're just changing the effect of gravity has on our body And for a lot of people that's really important for let's say let's say 110 pound Female that just had twins Their hips are going to be different, right? Yeah, so change of pregnancy postpartum and stuff like that Some people have to really relearn how to move their body because their hips are literally different now Yeah, so instead of doing the yoga that they did before their pregnant Now they can use tools to help them basically turn into 75 pounds So it's the same thing as we're talking about increasing weight for progressions We're decreasing our bodies weight by using tools and things like that So I love I think stick my ability is one of the absolute best things for kettlebell sport kettlebell training in general Um, it's just that it's a like I said, it's an adapted or adapted I'm gonna go to the kettlebell locker and hit my and hit your link and and grab a couple because they're pretty awesome and you've sold me Don't tell my wife. I bought more mobility stuff We're on here. I'm talking. I'm just kidding But yeah, um, I really like that tale like my tailor. She uses them all the time She's like, did you bring him the gym? Can you bring him back? I'm like They're in the car Yeah, like the guy that we keep him out at think tank We have all sorts of different things at think tank because people are there for muscle back pain stuff like that So they're like, well, what's that on the floor? I'm like, okay, well, that's a a boom stick That's a body tempering tool. This is a massage gun. Here's a good one That what are those stick things? Well, those help you stretch in a way that you couldn't stretch without it types of things like that But anyway Probably going to have to head off man to yeah, no, I appreciate it. I want to be respectful of your time You've been you've been on for a long time and I really appreciate it. It's been awesome The question is anything you wanted to ask Well, the one thing I wanted to touch on because it's kind of a shared a shared I won't ask you why you are the way you are Because even though I promised I would because that we don't have time for that, but I'll tell you real quick. Okay Like I'm I'm very eccentric because I was grown up and my grandmother was The um president of the library system So I was always around a lot of different knowledge and culture and she never Um, I'm gonna have a tear digs this woman just passed away and she means a lot to me um But To help other people is in my blood To help them feel like I feel good to I went people to feel the same way Um, so I was always around she was like part of the The hospital Board where we live She was part of northern Kentucky University the alumni center. We were always around like I had opportunities I mean shit like that's a thing like But I want to give back and she because she always did So that's kind of what the way I am the way I am is I want to see other people succeed Because I watched um I watched her do that and I was just it meant a lot to me um we're always around books So dude like if you look at places like my gym there's like boxes of books Not just training books, but like you know Nutritional books, but indigenous nutritional I mean just you know herbal stuff and all that stuff I don't know it's just that's that's one of the reasons why I'm the way I am Yeah, you're open you're an open mind which I love and I I mean that's That's a that's a great um That's a great tribute to your grandmother. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry that she's no longer with you But I mean what a great what a great way to honor her you know That you carry on her legacy and that she's had such a big impact on on your life And you're having a big impact on other people's life because you're so committed to helping other people I mean that like I've got goosebumps here and you talk about that because like that's I mean that's that's one of the reasons I've always vibed with you is because I feel like we're wired that same way like I just I want to help people You want to help people where you know, that's what we're all about and uh I love that about you you have you have an inquisitive mind a curious mind an open mind and like You're you're here to share knowledge and take in knowledge and help people So I really appreciate you coming on man. It's been awesome having you and uh You're welcome back anytime because we didn't get into nutrition. We didn't get it like there's all sorts of stuff We could we could cut we could get back into that Thank you so thank you so much for coming on. It's been it's been great having you man. Hi buddy. Thank you. All right Talk soon. Thanks. Talk to you later Thanks for listening to this episode of the platform podcast. I'm Jordan Kunde-Wright If you have a question, please email me at Twin Cities Kettlebell Club at gmail.com Follow us on Instagram and Facebook at Twin Cities Kettlebell Club on Twitter at TCKB Club Online at TwinsitisKettlebellClub.com and please help us grow our reach and give us a review on Apple Podcasts Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts until next time