Bobby Hicks | Audio-Visual Artist, Kettlebell Sport competitor (part 2)

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I'm your host Jordan Kunde-Wright founder and head coach of the Twin Cities Kettlebell Club I'm on a mission to help others build healthy sustainable lifestyles My guest again this week is my friend Bobby Hicks as we come back in for part two of our long-form Conversation on Kettlebell sport training Learned out on all sorts of interesting topics and just generally having a good chat as two friends If you're made at this far into this long-form episode I want to take a second to say that I'm incredibly grateful that you listen to this podcast if you haven't already Please be sure to leave me a rating and review on the platform podcast in your app of choice and support my work by supporting our sponsors Affiliate links you'll find in the episode notes and don't forget to register for the Twin Cities Kettlebell open October 23rd here in beautiful little Canada, Minnesota You can register on our website at twincitieskettlebellclub.com Also, don't forget to follow me on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube Twinsidskettlebellclub or email me at twincitieskettlebellclub at gmail.com And if you want to step on to the platform to compete in Kettlebell sport, please reach out to me I help athletes of all levels reach their goals without wasting time using my integrated online coaching approach Now without further ado, let's step on to the platform with Bobby Hicks Side tangent so my favorite thing about gs is At a certain point, right, I told you like when I started working with one, you know, it's like I was fucking buried I used to cross-fidocational and stuff and I thought that was fine and like I thought those I used to be so So lean and so fit, you know, like I was in the best shape my fucking life and I had no cardio or energy or anything like that And it's like so when I started doing gs like I was so humbled by that But it didn't get that kind of click like that adaptation and like you know, I was able to kind of turn off the suffering button You know, I feel like there's something happening like the last like Hicks last year I'd say like since the Arnold's because at the Arnold's I fucking tanked it. I did terrible You know, it's like I was my first 24 kilo long cycle competition set I failed it like around seven minutes six minutes I think you know, it was not terribly like a lot of reps and stuff and I just I just was like panicked from the start Like like you've talked about like you from the second I started or was already in zone three, you know And so like I'd spent this whole Year just working on cardio. I'm just working on engine But I didn't work on my suffering And it's kind of funny because it's like I started working with a Russian coach Demetri the results says If he dies And it's like, you know, um I met Demetri actually at the Arnold's and like We we do not speak the same language especially that like I I'm learning Russian because I want to be close to Bill Speak with him, but but like he breached out he was just like hey like I don't know if he'd be interested But I'd left to send you some programming to see if I could help you, you know And it was just kind of like started as like a friendly barter thing just like hey this I'm gonna send you this Let me know what you think and it started doing his programming Starting getting and it was brutal and you've seen some of the drills that I do is just like it's so much volume And this was even like back in Like August or September last year It hits the note with that I say about some of the traditions. He Petersberg school It's for cool. It will either it will either break you or you will become unbreakable. Yeah, that's Well, it's kind of like the binary ends of it either you're going to break or you'll be unbreakable Yeah, and he was trained by Merrick Lynn, you know, I think yeah Merrick Lynn and Merrick Lynn. Yeah And it's like better than I, I don't speak Russian Yeah, but like But it's it's one of those things for like Working with like one thing I think is really important for people as well for my personal experience is like I've had people even reach out to me literally just recently and they were like, you know What should I do if I want to leave my coach or if I should want to find a new coach or like, you know Is it okay for me to get help from other people and I'm just like 100% like you can't learn just by working with one person You have to have you have to have a team and network and you have to reach out to people and you have to do these things Like when I started working with Dimitri he did things that I didn't necessarily learn from one one was one was like a powerhouse for for Kind of like GPB, you know, and like building a strength. He's a fucking hypertrophy monster Like he he put mass on me in no time whereas Dimitri he was actually forcing me to do the volume that I really wasn't accustomed to So which is why like I kind of like just absolutely failed and anything longer than three or four minutes You know like it was by heart. I was gonna explode Dimitri is forced me to kind of go into that dark scary place On an on a daily basis when I'm doing my training, you know And is one of those things where all of a sudden like after like a few months of doing that and just be like this fucking sucks All of a sudden now it's like I don't I don't even recognize that these sets are like long scary hard sets anymore And I'm able to actually turn off that pain cave button And that was like one of the most eye-opening things ever where it's like even though something really sucks Back in the day. It's like I would set those bells down in a heartbeat And then like pant for a few seconds and then instantly regret it and just be like man I could have kept going, you know, and the thing that's been really amazing is that like I you know like you hear Constantly around you know like any professional say like you should never train to failure You know if you're gonna do you do like squats or bench or something like this, but I think that like Learning to actually push yourself to train to absolute failure in GS is I mean actually I think it was Bill Ash even said it's like you like in this sport you actually have to earn your failure Which I felt very proud of because like I didn't make the full 10 minutes at the cally open I failed it like 90 minutes and 30 seconds or 20 seconds or something like that, but that very last I'll give you an autograph later and stuff But it's like you know like I physically could not get that last wrap up. I tried at the about portion of it And then it just would go up and that was that was not me just being weak That was not me like giving up that was me pushing to the point where I physically couldn't go a step further Like I couldn't even try you got you got everything you could out of your body on the platform that day And that's all any any athlete or any coach can ask right like That's And being able to go to that dark scary place is is the that's the Beauty and the beauty and scaringness of this sport right it was like but it's The ability to do the hard thing do the hard thing and it no longer is hard right if you just if you make yourself do a hard thing every day It's it's it's it's hard things cease being scary is really what happens It's not that they stop being hard just that they stop being scary because you're like I've done hard things before I did a hard thing yesterday Did a hard thing that I did a hard thing the day before it's like the ice baths that you do right like or do Or doing cold showers like I hear other people talk about this like You know just my my my last guest Brad Jensen does cold showers every day because it won't for no other reason Like you can you can there's you know mitigating research on benefits and blah blah blah But he's like it's fucking hard it makes it makes it makes me grittier because I love I love hate it Like I stare at it and I'm like I don't want to do this and then I make myself do it for two three four five minutes And it I never regret doing it because it's like everything else for the rest of the day is easier than standing under that ice cold water First thing in the morning for five minutes, you know, it's like I don't have some beauty in that It's also it's also one of those things where I think it's so important to actually do these things because in the exact same way It's like getting in a cold shower like you you know you're gonna expect right and you get in there and stuff And the thing is like when you actually put yourself in these kind of like these These scenarios where you're basically in like a hermetic state, you know, it's just like you are stressing your body and some other mental or physical capacity It's like your body Begins to adapt begins to evolve in ways that are involuntary that you didn't actually think about So it's like the first time you get into a cold shower the first time you do a longer set of long cycle or or something like this When you push your body to a place so it doesn't want to be in It it pushes back and it tells you to stop when you just start doing that for about a week All of a sudden you involuntarily start to get like these little Hicks that you didn't really think about so it's like I was trying to tell people like take it a cold shower It's like doesn't matter if you're taking a cold shower if you're jumping into a pool or the ocean or or or whatever it is If you go into it, you know, and you were just like holding your breath with like tight intense and stuff like yeah It's kind of just being miserable every single time But if you actually learn how to control your breath which translate really really well to GS You know, it's like you get into the shower right and then you exhale As you're walking into that water full exhale right when you're doing this you're priming your your autonomic nervous system You're instantly calming your mind and then that inhalation is actually more of kind of like a buffer to the cold rather than reactionary It's like you are in the control of that because you've exhaleed everything And it's the same thing with GS like when you are getting to these places some of the best training sets I've ever had in my life are at the tail end When I'm using the heaviest weights, you know, and my body is physically just done right But it's like all of a sudden you're like at the end of my last set of like 28 kilo long cycle I will hit that perfect clean where everything just clicks in place and it's like where is you know The sets before felt exhausted all of a sudden. It's just like that last set will feel just perfect because Everything else is adapted. It's relaxed and it's like I feel like when you push yourself to these scary places That's when you actually discover Like the secret to what you were looking for and it's kind of like fucking Zelda or something like this We have on the key we have a we have a mantra that I say Very often almost at almost every practice The last ones your best one right and it's it's it's too It's too full this to what you just spoke to that like when you're physically and mentally exhausted like it's amazing You can dial in better technique simply because you have nowhere else to go And you're thinking about it. You have nowhere else to go. It's all you can rely on is good technique But also we always try and make it. It's a it's a mantra because it's the mission right the mindset of of every last set that we do is No at the end we finish strong in this team right we finish fucking strong We finish with a flurry we we finish sets. They don't finish us. We finish sets right it's a mindset thing It's like you know, it's just getting it's getting into that headspace of It's getting into that headspace that the last the last opportunity that you have to get better for that day Is that last set and we're going to take that opportunity and make it our best set whether it's our fastest pace doesn't matter It can be it can be it can be our best pace or it can be our best technique or it can be our best almost relaxed set It can be our best breathing. It can be the best insertion whatever it is right In one way or another we're going to make that last set our best set like that that's our focus So with that said my favorite thing is kind of like learning how to get out of the pain cave What is the one thing that you could probably say if there's like a one thing that you just like your favorite thing that like G.S. has taught you, you know, then the one thing that I love the most I don't know if it's something that G.S. has taught me I mean, there's a ton that G.S. has taught me But I think I think the thing that I love the most and you can probably relate to this because we have a similar Unquiet mind right I love when my brain goes quiet Yeah G.S. is my quiet space when the world is screaming It is the place where at a certain point in every set or in every workout But it has to be it has to be a hard enough workout. That's the thing like that's why I can't do I have a hard time doing easy workouts. I have a hard time doing the D loads I have a hard time doing the longer rest intervals and stuff like when it's And I know I need to do those because I know the science I know I know it needs to happen. I have a harder time with those days because that then I have plenty of time to think in my brain turns back on And I've got plenty and I got plenty of things going on in my head But in those hard moments in the times when There's just the bells The chalk, the breath, the sweat, you know the next rep I get to a point where it's like There is only the next rep like I can't even think about what what rep I want like what my pace is in for this minute It's just like I know it six seconds of rep goes up. I know it 12 seconds of rep goes up I know like and I'm just like next rep one more rep Block it out whatever you know and like I just get to the point and like that's all I can think about all that exists at that moment The bells the clock and me and like that's for me is like I rarely find that level of quiet in my brain So that's that's what keeps me stepping back under the steel you know three three to five times a week My my good friend Eric in men. Yeah, he's absolute legend. He's like a He's an ultra-athlete. He's a but triathlete. He's he does everything you can imagine He's like basically like one of those people is just good at everything he does He's shredded and just like you know, he's invincible and I hate him already I hate him already and it's like he's he's he's he's talked about this a lot And it was something that I had actually like I started to adopt During the summer of 2020 when those in lockdown like the only thing I could do is actually get out and run You know and a lot of people ask from just like you know when you go on your long run So you're going to your rides or like you know What is like the trick that kind of helps you get through this stuff? And he he was like, you know, personally, he's like I listened to one song on repeat It was like I pick one song and that's all I listen to now. I don't I don't listen to one song on repeat I've done that and it's very helpful Everybody is the only thing I listen to like my favorite e-books on repeat and stuff or like a podcast if I'm on like a run The thing I think is kind of funny is that like For me, I am listening to the same record over and over and over You know, it's like it's kind of just like it's more like part of my heart rate, you know But what I realized was kind of funny the other day and we've talked about this as well We're just like, you know when things go wrong, you know You have to be able to adapt to things right so I film every set for my coach who's in Russia, you know And you know, I used my Sony a7 or a7 3 I set up on a tripod got my headphones playing to my phone Which is set up on the side got my clock and all this Hicks happens in very lately like at least once a month, you know where my camera like am I My a7 3 like my Sony will just either die, you know, the the camera card will suddenly get full because my girlfriend borrowed it the night before Just filled up everything and like I didn't realize it with her 800 photos 800 photos to get the one shot that she's got published And so this actually happens. I was I was sitting up my stuff. Yeah You can go I'll say I got myself and and I put my camera in the tripod and you know It's like got my the one record that I listened to and repeat my headphones and stuff And I did my first two sets, you know And I turn off the camera and I go to like start the next one and it says like Like memory full so I'm like son of a bitch I'm like I either have to go over and get a new SD card which is in a different camera in the house I just really didn't want to do it or I have to set my phone up over here and fill myself so I can have that you know It's a send to my coach, but be by doing that. I can't listen to any music, right? And it's one of the things where at first I was kind of just like a little pived about it and it's just like whatever I'll get it done And then it's in the middle of doing it that I immediately realized like after I finished I stopped my sedative Like the music is not there to do anything for me except for just kind of like be my white noise, you know um In the middle of every single one of my sets, I was totally fine You know, I was even more in the zone than anything else because then I was only hyper aware of just my breath I was hyper aware of just like my actions And it's one of the things where I think it's so interesting when you actually realize that like that what you're talking about Like when that when GS puts you in like that quiet place where like, you know You have to go there in order to actually like find your success You know, it's like I did that. That was a hard hard set that I was doing Because Russians And it's like, but it was one of the things that was an interesting experience because One had actually told me about this a long time ago where he was just like man, I'm telling you right now It was like you should Get into the habit of just listening to like either nothing or like white and white You know, and so he actually used to have me train to I've an app my phone called brainy mood, you know, I use it when I go to sleep sometimes. It's just just Rain, but it's like I would play that in my headphones and it's the same idea where it's just like you're not trying to actually listen to anything in particular You were trying to un-listen to everything and and just get inside of your your own self and I'd be really interested to see what Brain wave patterns are actually going on in the brain. Yeah, when you get into that like I'd be really that's a I'd be really interested to see Because think about it like when was the last time that like you were like when you would do a competition or something like You know even even for the cally open you it's like I watched my video which I posted on my Instagram and it's just like In the background. I had my music actually playing loudly. I had no headphones on right and music explained loudly It wasn't until I was actually going back watching the video. It was even aware that there was music playing It's like you tune everything out and all you can think about is just either like the voice of your head saying You need to stop doing this or you can silence that that guy up, you know or girl up, you know And and just this is John Wilde Buckley. Hicks is this is Jordan's test. Hicks is Jordan's time to test his mental toughness And then all of a sudden you your posture fixes like oh, yeah, I need to get my elbows. Oh, that's like oh I'm still funny. That's still the funniest exact. That was the most that I That was the most Rattled I had ever been in a in a jerk set, but you say that but my clock turned off two minutes into that set And so for the last eight minutes, I had no idea where I was what my pace was I'm not saying I'm not saying that experience was harder than it just for me No, no, no, that was the most that was the most I ever been rattled in a jerk set and it was because I was I was not mentally prepared for it You know like You know like you're talking about but and yet and yet after that first set and then I was like Oh, that was actually kind of helpful because I because I I did posture up I did do better like and I heard like and I got that like kind of like the challenge from the you know from the from the crowd You know, like so then I I listened to the commentary for the next two sets I just love what this sport is done. You know, it's given us an opportunity to not only meet so many amazing people Yeah, I mean like it's kind of funny because I mean like there's there's Carter and there's one, you know There's Demetri, you know, like that like these people that I've actually met and that I know You know, and then it's like the people that I have met that I had no idea who they were like Lorna I met Lorna by very first or second competition. No fucking idea that she was basically like the best. Yeah, I met Marty At the the the the nationals like my first nationals competition and like no idea Irvin Irvin was chatting with me and stuff And he's like the nicest guy and you know Again, no idea who he was and then it's like later on you kind of come to realize like oh man I was just surrounded by like some of like the absolute veterans You know, and it's like these people are just taking the time to like chat with you and I don't know it's been it's been like an amazing thing So now it's like kind of like the two, you know, this pandemic has given me the opportunity to meet kind of meet like so many people But again a lot of that's actually come from you and your podcast, you know, like I I don't think That I would have met nearly as many people are been as friends with as many people if I hadn't heard you introduce them on your podcast first Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, that's that's what it's all about building the building the community and growing the sport and and Connect you know connecting with people that's that's been the biggest thing like I don't know That's your goal like is just to make bring you know kettlebell sports the masses Yeah, that's so I have I have my mission statement and I have my vision statement And my mission is to help is to help others build healthy sustainable lifestyles and my vision is to bring kettlebell sport to the mainstream in America Right, so like I that those are my that's my mission and my vision So I do have a vision for kettlebell sport like I do want this to be a thing here like I like it is in Russia like I want it to be I want it to be a thing that people actually know and do and you know, I think there's I think there's a market for it So I think I think that you need to have a chat with Moses and you need to get more people aware of who he is and he's on the list He's on the list and we're couple who I've got the backlog actually has gotten as gotten sizeable Of a number of people that I need to that I need to Like people are like like what are you gonna have you know this person? I'm like yeah, they're on the way like I've talked to like I just you know I just I gotta find the time to get everybody cuz like it like at like Running joking or kind of like you have the twin cities headable club And I was just like well, maybe we'll start the coconut creek kettlebell club. How's that you know and like I brought out to my neighbors And they're like oh man, my kids would definitely do this like you know like oh my kids He's nice. Go. He needs to train to do something to get stronger for soccer football. It's just like Oh, you know, so I I definitely love the idea. I mean it's like I I try to get my niece and nephew into it so hard. It was like you guys I'm gonna make you into international world champions And then they didn't do it and so all of a sudden their mom comes up Amanda and she's just like I'll fuck a do it It was just like I'm gonna turn you into international world champion and you know, it's amazing It's just like I love Working with people and talking to them about things, but it's like I'm not a coach I'm not I'm not like a person that can actually explain like well, you're dorsiflexing this You know, like you need to actually extend in hyper extent, you know like you know But I I feel like I have the patience that a lot of people just don't have to actually sit there and articulate and take the time to kind of like make people understand like how I would Like to be told how to do something and You know with time, I think I could learn a lot more, but it's one of the things Those things are all learnable skills man get on the brickbook the brickbook institute and The brickbank institute whatever the hell that but like you can you can go get like tons There's tons of knowledge tons of information available like you can You can learn you can learn the anatomy physiology portion of it like being able to communicate to human beings in a way that they understand Is the harder part like yeah, that's that's the that's the art of it shows the science the science is definitely behind it too I'm like I love the balance like you get some people like like like one is one is you know He's got the science behind it and he like he is the science might like Mike Silverman has the science behind it And he really knows you know, you know like it's and it's great like I have some I have some of that science not to the level that like Mike has, you know You know, but I'm I'm more the soft science, you know, the people always give me a heart like like the guys that I work with who are data scientists and stuff They have a hard time about being a soft science guy because I'm a psychology person like I love mindset I love psychology, you know, so But you know, I think I think both of those skills are very very important and that's what that's what makes good coaches And that's why like you said, that's why it's important to work with I like I think it is important to work with different coaches at different at different times in your journey And like learn different things from different people and different approaches and find the coach that find the coach that works for you because yeah You know when you when you do find the right coach for you like you know and stick with them for as long as they're getting you good results They're until they're not the right fit, but like you know, there's there's a long time to well There's a lot there's a lot of people that have been with coaches for for a long time for for good reason. So That's a lot of agree That's a lot of fun. I have I have one I have a serious question for you about social media And you're a very you're a very positive guy about about social media and and we've talked a lot about the the positive Letters that you can create with social media and connection and and how and how many people How many people you can meet and the connections that can be made but so do you feel right now with with the current environment of Of the world is social media a net positive or is it a net negative for right now with with the the dark side of the amplification of negative messages and the misinformation and Some of the division and distrust and things that it is also a stone You know, so as somebody that that you know does does a lot of of social media work You know, what what's your thought on on that? Where do you stand on that kind of the the the white hat and white hat and dark hat? You know, I mean like this one an excellent question Like I think in general um I honestly don't think that anything is really like there are a lot of things sort of changed right and what I'm not saying is that nothing has changed What I am saying is that I don't necessarily think that social media itself has changed I think that the political landscape changed and it just Utilize the social media elements in a much more aggressive way But it's like I can't say that like you know people are not saying the same things now that they would have said You know six years ago or five. I mean maybe they've read like six years ago because like Even the internet was different six years ago What I guess who are trying to maybe articulate is this you know In a world in a world With the microphone uh in a world where like Not just in the United States, but but I mean like you know I had somebody even just write to me from Brazil yesterday Those saying how like they're their political landscape is like terrifying, you know It's like there there are places all around the country and all around the world Where the like you have leaders that some people think are doing a good job some people think are doing a terrible job And the scary thing about the social media element of things right now is the fact that it's People feel like it is their obligation To be as loud and vocal as they possibly can for every single Topic that you could have and I think that maybe that kind of comes down to just like this You know that Andy Warhol kind of you know like moment where he's just like someday in the future everybody will have their their 15 seconds of fame, you know To paraphrasing, you know like he said something in that effect And it's just one of the things where I just feel like that that is kind of like the issue, you know It's not necessarily that like people are more Like the social media is better or worse now than it was maybe let's say like before Trump, you know or even Host Trump, you know It's just I think the fact that it's like people are Now so like I think is the individualized aspect of things where like people themselves are so Helped that on being heard and seen when you when you're locked in for a whole year You haven't seen anybody and you're told you shouldn't be seeing anybody you're told you can't talk or touch her or travel or do these things You know, it's like people can desperate, you know, and it's one of those things where there are there are a lot of different ways that people can process this and in their own way In New York, you know, it's like a lot of people were running because they couldn't do anything else or they were creating or they were doing podcasts Like you started yours. I think during the during the pandemic at the beginning of it, you know It's like people can either find a healthy way to express this and articulate it or You can kind of do what some people do where they just would like become And they just they just use these platforms as just a way to kind of like You know, say the things that they couldn't save as somebody's face and then all of a sudden they just feel the power that comes from that I mean like anonymity is even even seeing somebody's face or knowing their account You know, it's just like you're still anonymous Like I'm touching your face right now, but the screen you can't feel it because you can't do anything And it's like that I felt it You just tickled my nose back, you know But it's but it's one of those things where you just like I think that the there has been an equal balance of Really wonderful stuff though that came out of the last year To kind of counter that that negativity that we were seeing, you know, it's like during the the George Floyd You know kind of like protests after his murder. I was in New York when it was happening and New York Band in yeah in a way that I Had it seen in like years, you know um And that's that's something that I truly do miss, you know, it's something that like I miss deeply about New York because it is one of those places where like you feel like you're in a bubble You know, you don't realize how how scary the world can actually be until you're out of it um, but you know, it's like I don't know, you know, it like I'm not really sure if I properly answered the question, but it's kind of one of those things where it's just like it's such a It's such a delicate You gave a new you gave a nuanced answer to a nuanced question. So I very much appreciate that I like I agree with a lot of what you said in the My my attitude on social media is um, it's like gasoline It can power a car or it can burn down a house. It depends on who's using it and how you're using it, right? um My only my only Uh counter to your I do think it has changed um, and I do think in and I In the same way that the internet wasn't the same as it was six years ago the social media companies are not either And I know how algorithms work and they are ruthless. They are ruthlessly optimizing for engagement And they have done that without a an appropriate level of oversight as to what is that engagement doing That's how we saw acceleration of Because it's human it's human psychology to engage with scary negative Content right like because because our nature is to protect ourselves and we want to learn all of the night like it's like oh The five the five tips to avoid hurting your back when you lift weights that gets way more clicks than here's the five best ways to improve your squat Right yeah, like we're just hardwired to click on negative things and to chase negative because we want to protect ourselves It's in our nature. So like if if you ruthlessly optimize for engagement without any filter on What type of content is creating that engagement then suddenly you accelerate false information you excel accelerate scare tactics You accelerate like and that's the that's where like it can become the accelerant that burns down the house thing And that's the that's the thing that that does scare me a little bit But I'm but I'm like you I'm an optimist like we met because of social media I'm like we we became friends because of social media like we've never physically met in person until I come down there in May right but like you know Yeah, it's so I Is that like eternal optimist you know me where it's just like I have a very difficult time of actually like Because it like I 100% agree with exactly what you're saying and it's one of those things where when Like I live my life in a way where it's just like It's very easy for me to kind of like look in a bad scenario And then just take a breath and just kind of like absorb it and then just either like either absorb it Learn from it learn more about it and then do when it can help or if it's a stressor It's just kind of like breathe it in and then just like let it out and then just focus on the next thing that I couldn't do this productive, you know, it's like that's the only way that I operate that's the reason why you know like my even handle says I tend to smile quite a bit because it's like I'm just I'm always smiling It's like I find the positive and a lot of things But you're right, you know, it's in there are especially Talking about kind of like the the way that analytics are you know like the now dominant factors Not content and people are necessarily fixated on it's just Analytics next Y&Z, you know TikTok is a big thing where it's like it took the element of actually forcing commercialized content That was actually like high quality and things like this and I don't want to say dumbing it down But it's basically like let's take this one idea and make it in the simplest form so that everybody in the world can do this You know like yeah, and so it's one of those things where Even me like I've done these things and it's like I still would spend like six hours doing that to make it Is professional looking as possible, you know, but it's I don't know You're right and But at the same time I still think that there's a lot of really wonderful beautiful things out there that are You know, good Barrett is darkness the great the great thing the great thing about it is and one of the reasons we're friends is just because I'm I said something right doesn't mean that what you said was wrong Either right. We're not it's not binary. It's not zero. So I'm right. I'd you know, I'm just I'm just less optimistic than you I'm very you know I'm married to an E are you're in colder weather I'm in colder weather. I'm not Florida man. I'm not you know I just I just got to brush my shorts out. I wore sandals for the first time and you know like you know a week ago You know, so you know my wife my wife said the ER right now working so I hear all of the you know I hear all the drags of society stories So I'm just a little more jaded and cynical than you, but I still trend towards I really I really truly do I do truly believe in that now I love I do love the power of of connection through through social media and building community and having these types of Conversation Thanks for tuning into this episode of the platform podcast. We'll get back to the interview shortly If you're a loyal listener, you know that I don't typically do interludes But I wanted to take this opportunity to share some exciting updates The date is set for the first annual Twin Cities kettlebell open on October 23rd We will be hosting at the athlete lab here in beautiful little Canada Minnesota right in the heart of the Twin Cities And we've already started to line up some great sponsors Bellivator from Dennis Vasiliv has given two belts for us to give away our friend Nikolai Poochlove from Seattle kettlebell club is providing his new maiden the USA pro kettlebells for competitors to try out News on the platform sanctioned by the IKO Additional sponsors include barefoot athletics and Gospari nutrition And if you have ideas or connections to other interested sponsors, please reach out to me And please don't forget go register for the event on our website Twin Cities kettlebell club.com And now let's get back to the interview We just hate fucking like it douche bags you That's really that's really like That's the thing I have such a hard time with this like How like just don't be an asshole is not a hard bargain here like it's just like I don't know when being an asshole started becoming a virtue and like that That bothers me when it's like oh no, let's let's trigger the let's trigger the lives or let's you know Let's whatever we're gonna we're gonna take down the other side. I'm like Do you ever see the film Billy Madison when you're younger? Yeah, yeah, I'm Sandler. So you remember oh Doyle Yeah, no Doyle rules. Yeah, it's like growing up, you know, it's like you'd laugh because you're like oh Doyle rules So they're just like the whole family of dickheads and stuff that eventually just drive off the cliff and stuff But it's like the thing that I think every Is that you know, you think you think in your head. Oh, there's just those of Doyle's that are over there And if I don't fit really bother them, they'll be they'll leave me alone And then the last year and a half you just realize that there are a lot more fucking no Doyle's out there And it just makes it a little harder to kind of ignore them But I like to think that eventually they're just gonna drive off a cliff also Doyle rules Well, we're all eventually gonna be swallowed by the entropy of the universe. So there's that I cannot wait. I cannot wait Hicks sweet release of non-existence is coming at some point Bobby delivered to you via a Russian named Demetri Oh, yeah, did you actually see Kim's new series as well where it's like Different Demetri though All the Demetrius I mean the running all the same the running joke the most used meme in our rev 4 rev 4 group is If he dies he dies because all of the Russians are trying to kill us with their programming Okay, and the last tangent. Okay, I promise so I like like every other person Like I'm running out of shit to watch. Okay, I've watched so many shows over and over again and stuff like this And one of the things are really so they hadn't actually seen ever right I saw Rocky one. I've never seen any of the other Rockies, right? So so you're like you guys can't see my face I am all flabbergasted I am all pulled He just looks like I threw I threw his ice cream on the floor You know in local news, but it's not went down by 7% today when news broke that he had never seen Rocky I saw one just different so the others And so I decided to go back as I was just like hey, it's all nice to be able to go so I started watching it and and So I've been watching like every night just like a little bit of time, you know And I'm now getting to the end of Rocky 3 and I'm getting ready Yeah, I'm getting ready to get into Rocky 4 to finally see If he does he does for right, you know, so there's so many and then they have the Creed So I'm saying tangent Creed Creed Creed is good too like both of the Creed movies are actually really really well done Even the Rocky Balboa, you know, but it's like I also just never realized that like so that's just alone like he Like his story was amazing for Rocky one day like get it done like you wrote it No, I have to be in the film I won't sell it. No, it's sold my dog, you know, it's like and then he got the dog back But it's like like then he goes into like right and direct Almost all the others, I guess, you know, it's like it's fucking wild man. Yeah, it's a savage And he's like act as hell for three He's still jacked. Have you seen pictures of him recently like I guy is a fucking monster go google it like go look at what slide looks like right now And he's like 70 something years old and he's got like Still fucking six pack abs. It's ridiculously he expendables is still I think like one of the greatest gifts That anybody kind of given us because it gave us like that 80s 90s like just all I want It's just like like a lot of people were giving a lot of hard time to that that that Chris have is worth film that came out Extraction every was just like there's an Netflix film. They're just like this is the worst film ever It has like no plot. There's blah blah. And I was like what are you kidding me? Hicks is like the greatest gift ever this is like an 80s 90s action film in its core with like better cameras, you know They gave you gummy bears, and you wanted gummy bears. Yeah, there's no substance to them, but they're delicious They're delicious. Yeah, and it's like that's what the expendables are It's just like all of our favorite action heroes from like the 80s and 90s together and just being themselves but It's amazing. I don't know. So yeah, they're funny. Let's let's be honest. They're it's not it's not the Albanese like 12 flavor gummy bears Those are probably like it's probably it's probably your harbor a little bit chewy There's only five flavors there may be stale, but you know, they're still gummy bears and they still give me sugar in some flavor The first time that I told Jordi that I was just like I love gummy bears He actually wrote to me. It was like are we do we just become best friends and I was like yes And I just sent him a picture and I said Harryboe or bust and you literally sent me a message back saying Get that trash out of my face Albanese are best like you don't fucking tease, you know, and so what was I wrong? No, as I wrong. Yeah, Albanese gummy bears are the best They're as good as you get They're they're literally they're called the world's best gummies for a reason and they they live up They live up. It's not marketing hype So no no social influencing happening there they are they are just just pure substance You're sex in your mouth That did that just make the cut we'll find out. I guess we'll I guess we'll find out Okay, this was gonna have to be a two-parter because because we're we're going on we're going on two out We're going on two hours now, so with with that peeing with Mike Yeah, you know, you don't want to do that. He like he would say, you know, he argues with God So you don't want to cut you don't want to compete with Mike You know, it's it's kind of funny. It's like I So I started doing some I mean like since we have a little more time I guess but you know David Tao, you know, like you had to you have an interview chat with him from barbend and for the intro by the way I was excited to chat with him too You know, and it's like he Asked me at some point a while ago to like hey would you be interested in doing like any article for barbend and I was like yeah, so that was great Told me to do one you know, well didn't tell me ask me if I would be interested in writing something on Kim Fox And he was like I think that you'd actually be able to you know like get a lot of information out of her Like you're a good person to talk to you're engaging and like I just think that you you might be able to write something fun And so I did that turned up pretty good, you know, that was an hour and a half long chat with with Kim, right? Yeah, and then he asked me to spoiler alert is still working on this, but Asked me to chat with Dennis, you know And so I have a chat with Dennis two hour long chat, right? Have any kind of condense and two hour long chat into a 1500 word article is that this like the fucking hardest thing ever by the way, you know New new new found respect for journalists, right? It's given me like I mean like it's insane You know And on top of it, it's kind of amazing to have though like David, you know, who is taking his own time to actually like help With the critique of just kind of like fine tuning of things because I mean like dudes to CEO Like he doesn't need to be doing this. He could have passed this off to somebody else But like because he loves GS so much like and he's so passionate about like the article like he wants it to Really hit? Um, so I appreciate that shot to David Um, but it's one of those things for like I don't think that I've ever Like I feel like I'm like I do live, you know, like what I was doing those during the pandemic You know, it automatically cuts off at 60 minutes, right? The majority of my conversations were second episodes because it was just never enough time One hour is never enough time and that's why I really appreciate like these long format kind of Joe Rogan style things where it's like you can see something to listen to even even um, I mean like there are a few people that have reached out that like listen to your thing and Or just like, oh no, I can't wait for these new episodes because it's like um, oh my god It's so late right now so I'm trying to blink when it's uh Tim like Tim Tim uh was talking about who's like I had to drive like 90 minutes to work So I look forward to these longer chats You know, I've actually had people tell me like be less respectful of people's time like Quit telling them I want to be respectful of your time and cutting the conversations off at an hour because like I got a 90 minute commute I've had multiple people tell me that like go ahead and go for the full log go for the full log format, uh, you know Yeah, I think I'm actually at the point where I'm kind of like fizzing out my brains. We're not working and and here's the best fun part So as soon as we get done with this chat. I am not done It is it is midnight right now um and I am still After I get done with this I'm going to be on my computer working on a video editing project for Kako because I don't have days off she doesn't have days off That is the one downside to what I do is the fact that it's like there are Zero days off because again in order to kind of keep up with Making content that's just for the brands you can't only put out Spots your content you actually have to make sure that you're also putting out stuff that like The people that are coming to your channel like they actually give a shit to watch or listen to That's why I think I was actually so proud of that video that I made because um and I got a lot more coming on this by the way But it's like because it's uniquely mine And at the same time it's like people are like oh that's so much of their personality But because of that that requires Like you were saying like you know like oh if you don't have a kid you should have a kid because you won't have any free time I still don't have any free time the difference is I don't have to wake up at like four in the morning like You know to train you know, it's like I can I can wiggle on it and work it into my schedule and stuff but But I don't have the beauty of being an entrepreneur is that you get to decide what 14 hours of the day you work 100% and so it's like by 14 hours of the day work are pretty much like Later awake and brown like eight or nine and then after that. It's just like the rest of the day It's just a flip of a coin of whether I'm doing something really pressing at that moment or later And it usually gets pushed into like yes So you can you can you can stay up until two in the morning and sleep until when you decide you're going to get up If I stay up until two in the morning my son is getting up at six a.m Either way and guess what he will come hit me in the head with a toy if I'm not getting up to get him in F***ing Cheerios He's gonna be like daddy. I'm hungry You put the Cheerios up where I can't get them. So you have to get up It's kind of amazing though. Yeah, well That's what happens when like we found him He pulled his birthday cake into his room and like was literally sitting in his room Eating a slice of cake the size of his head Feel like that's something I did like last week You know like you apparently never grow out of that apparently not but he's five like you know If he eats all of that sugar like he will just be a terror and he'll get sick But like so 31 years older than he is you still do the same thing You just call it dessert, you know, it's like you You justify it in some way by saying I trained a little harder that day Yeah, well you made that decision yourself like I'm supposed to be the responsible one helping him make helpful decisions So you know, I guess I have some obligation there He doesn't eat the entire cake So I got one last question for you. Okay. Okay. Okay. So okay. So you and I okay and and hey Hicks is the only way that things ever happened right if it didn't happen on Instagram or on a podcast it never happened It didn't really happen didn't really happen. So you Inspired me. Okay, like when you put out your your I think it's your first Fetburner episode and stuff you made it openly and abundantly clear that you had the goal that during the Twin City open you had the the the the goal To drop X amount of weight yeah and When you said that, you know, and like you were like I'm gonna be you know documenting the chronicles of this Just kind of talking about it, you know, and just I want to be like as transparent share it And I was like I really respect that and you know what it maybe you've realized that like I wanted that for some kind of challenge Like that too because it gives you something to look forward to it gives you something to actually train for and be harder at yeah, and uh So I'm not trying to lose at 40 pounds or trying to lose 20, you know, basically like ish, you know Like around like 205. I'm trying to drop down to about 185. I was hoping your I was hoping you're your way in movie 85 kilos Yeah, so there's a couple of extra pounds, but um So um that said, you know, it's just like my my question is this okay So I've been you know like Tracking I've been doing my cardio. We've we've talked about this off of like offline this well and stuff, you know And I I'm respecting the the journey and the process You know, but like what happens like in your shoes, you know, like if you like again I'm up most days tonight. I wanted to cook some food I was at all night until about 830 We just couldn't get back home soon enough. I wasn't having enough time to cook You know, I normally eat bed or like eat way too late So I just ordered food because it was just like I'm not going to be able to eat anything before I have to jump in this And you know, it's like I would never eat So What are some of the hardships that you feel like you've actually gone through um They're like you want to share just like maybe like one, you know, it's like something you you're actively trying to work on me I'm still not losing weight as quickly as I would like to but I am still dedicated to the process And I know that by the time I actually made it to your open, you know the twin city oven I will be 185 pounds Nice Yes, so you know spoiler alert So the next the next pot the next fat blast podcast episode is about consistency And and that and you but you're touching on the reasons like consistency is the hardest is the hardest thing and um And that's not that's not unique to me or unique to you, right? But being consistent with the habits that you need to have um in order to in order to lose to lose weight in a sustainable healthy way It does require it does require consistency and it's the There are like 12 toggles or 12 levers that I really that I really focus on and One of them is sleep. I'm bad at sleep. Sleep has been a sleep has been has been a struggle for me So I'm starting I'm actually starting a new supplement here shortly. I'm I'll I've got a I've got a I've got a no, I'm seriously. I'm serious. So I'm like I've done a lot I've actually done a lot of research about about supplementation for sleep for sleep aid and Some people that I some people that I respect um, you know, have have a supplement that they made For people that are wired like like like we're wired So to help people that are you know, uh, uh, not adrenaline, but um, a Neavis energy, a adrenal adrenal, adrenal heavy, right? Adrenal stands, right? So high stress a lot a lot going on like busy Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and high training stress, right? Um, et cetera So um, that's been a big a big struggle for me is just consistency with my sleep Um, but yeah, the there's there's going to be more coming more coming about some of the some of the things on Consistency um, but yeah, that's That has been that has been a struggle and then um, I will also say um The amount of necessary movement daily For me is difficult to Balance with the need for recovery from the kettlebell sport workouts And so I've I've found it I found it challenging um to like work out Not not work out because I definitely want to vary my intensities. So it's not it's not like I'm it's not like I'm trying to do Six days a week of of kettlebell sport intensive stuff. I do that three days a week Um, but then on the off on the off days I should be Why I should be walking every day period and it was too freaking cold here for that And so then I was like, well, I'm going to ride my stationary bike I'm going to get up early and ride my stationary bike so I can get my movement And I was like, oh, but I didn't get to sleep until 1 a.m. And my first meeting is at 8 a.m So either I get up at 6 a.m. and only get five hours of sleep and I ride the bike and I get my cardio in or Do I choose the sleep right and as I said it's like which which toggle is most important for me and you know I know if I don't get sleep then I don't perform in my kettlebell sport workouts too And like so there's just a lot of things to to take into consideration um and so like balancing stress stress load training load movement sleep and recovery Has been the the biggest the biggest struggle so far Mainly for me sleep has been pretty pretty intense and rough as well Just because it's like most of the things that we're trying to do around our house Like we just moved into a new house You know, it's like all of the things that need to be done People are like yes, I'll be there at 9 a.m. I'll be there at 8 a.m You know, and it's like that's it's not like it's it's very early You know like most people would be like yeah, that's that's fine I'm been uh for hours Eric Sinage I've been up for four hours training you beforehand It's like But when you have lifestyle it's kind of like hours where it's like you have you have the option of flexibility And so you go to bed on average at like one or two in the morning, you know You are and you are also a very active and physically active person, you know It does suck because it's like I tell my girlfriend that's having like oh my god, I'm so exhausted I don't want a nap. I'm not very good at napping, you know And rather just I'm I'm getting good at napping. I will say that. I'm I need to learn the nap, you know But it's like a 20-minute power nap. That's the key 20 stress. I want right like the coffee nap. Yeah 20 minutes yeah, just a 20 minute nap at like three at like three p.m. Between two between two 30 and then three 30 depending on when I On when I can on when I can get it into my work schedule fitted it fitted in with client meetings And what have you but yeah, I try and I try and get like it just a 20 minutes And if I and if I don't fall asleep, it's just it's still good for me just that I'm doing 20 minutes of breath work And just like like eyes closed breathing meditation So even if I don't sleep if I don't fall asleep That's okay and that's that's been a big thing for me too is like I used to be like But I've got I've got I've got a 30-minute window get a 20-minute nap I better get in and lay down and then I'm like Like I'm completely completely defeats the purpose of trying to get the nap But then I just took off the pressures. I don't have to nap I'm just going to lay here for 20 minutes with my eyes closed and breathe and if I fall asleep I have an alarm set and if I don't fall asleep, that's okay. I did 20 minutes of breath work to You know relax in the middle of my stressful day So I I love sleep and I actually spent a lot of time trying to like hone in on sleep and like skills and things like this and so yes like going back like Hicks would be like a tip for anybody that might be in a similar scenario because there are a lot of there a lot of different ways You can actually program better sleep for yourself You can use supplements like melatonin or other things that like might be like holistic and natural kind of like sleep supplements Which I would always recommend before you try to take something that's kind of like an ambient or something like that Because you're not actually getting like the full restorative sleep It's kind of like it's the same idea. It's like like like whoop like I was working with whoop for a while. I did a lot of like the Research with with like their their research behind their products and like you come to find that it's like people when they actually try to Like you know, smoke a lot of weed before they go to sleep or like they drink a lot before they go to sleep The study actually the data actually shows and you love data. Yeah, the data actually shows that like you were actually severely getting Not the proper amount of sleep because you said you're being sedated There's a difference between sedation and and sleep and that's why that's why like when you wake up If you've ever had general anesthesia when you wake up from general anesthesia, you're not like Oh, I feel so rested and refreshed. I took a nice I took a nice long sleep. No, you're like groggy and you're you're like You're disoriented and like and you're actually you're actually more tired your your body is like it's not rested It's the acid so Ray Cronice he's actually like an ex-like NASA scientist and stuff and he Um, basically decided to like dedicate his his studies to cold thermogenesis and studies like this and now I mean break Cronice he did a lot of stuff with webhoff as well and stuff and and they were kind of experimenting with like weight loss and things But one of the biggest things that he actually found in his studies that's that's been proven and shown to be very very very effective are Hicks contrast showers and he does this like basically every night You know, um and you can do this in the morning as well and stuff. It's that it works either way, but what happens is you know So throughout the day you're basically like you have cortisol. Yeah, you're cortisol waking in response Yeah, you have cortisol melatonin You know like you really try to break it down it's like the two main hormones to kind of regulate like how you're feeling with your sleep Your cortisol is basically just your your alertness and your anxiety and kind of like that stress hormone You know, so when it's daylight your brain naturally starts to produce a little bit of cortisol Just to kind of keep you alert and keep you awake and the problem is That and I mean, I'm sure people have heard about this a lot of people think it's bullshit But but it's like there's so much science to kind of go behind this where it's like we now live in a society That is so different than it was even you know 50 years ago where now we are surrounded by LED lights and all these other like What they call like blue lights you got the blue blockers on yeah, I got mine actually in the drawer back here You know, it's like this blue light that's actually just constantly Polluting in a way, you know, it's like the actual world that we live in our phones that we are constantly looking at You know, it's like the LED lights that just turned off You know, it's like our computer screens and everything else and so what's happening is that like we are constantly having a slow trickle A cortisol going out throughout our brain So instead of Dust kidding and your brain starting to slowly trigger off the cortisol production and ramp up your melatonin production Giving you like that nice natural kind of tapering into that sleepiness that that is normal We're not getting that we're actually constantly getting this drip of cortisol And then we wonder why it's so hard for us to sleep until we crash So what happens is when you are actually taking melatonin or you're producing melatonin a byproduct of that is actually your body temperature drops You know, and when your body temperature drops that's actually a normal natural state of kind of showing and indicating that you are actually an arrested state Like you're dropping into like that that RAM and deep way of sleep cycle and stuff And so Ray Kroneis actually did this in experiment Um, he did contrast showers. He had like teams of people doing this in the studies I mean the idea is really simple, you know, you get in a shower, right? And you can start with higher coal But the idea is you want to basically just do like 30 seconds of cold water 10 seconds of hot water and you can just shift it as hot as cold as you want it as hot as cold as you can And you just do that for basically like four or five rounds and then you finish with about two minutes cold water And a lot of people might say it sucks and stuff at the end of the day At the end of the day, I think it's actually an excellent drill as well And just conditioning your breathing because you have to have control of your breath In order to not panic, right? But 30 seconds anybody can get through 30 seconds And so it's really kind of like an interesting discipline study but when you're done You will almost instantly find that you get out and you almost have like this lightheadedness like you you have like this Hicks losing this because what's happening is you're basically fluctuating your body You're starting to cool your body down, especially with that last two-minute drain You know with the cold water and it forces your body to actually produce melatonin more naturally So if you kind of in a perfect world, right you you get rid of a lot of like the the cooler lights Replace them with warmer lights or if you have like a bathroom light like I have those little pink Himalayan salt lamps in any of the bathrooms So that they're always on so that if there are no lights on it's just warm light, you know Little tiny like a like hacks if you will You know, but like eliminating as much blue light as you can you know ambient light and then if you can actually try these contrast showers It's so so so helpful me personally. I actually think what works best for me is After doing kettlebell stuff especially like if I'm due to late-night session I will fill up a bathtub Hot as fuck water fill it with a bunch of Epsom salt soak in there for about my 15 minutes, right I let my muscles kind of just like just chill my legs my back I'll just let them just like do their thing and then when I'm done, you're right I'll drain the thing I'll go into the shower. I'll immediately turn on the coldest water that's in there And I'll just sit in that for about like a couple of minutes and just like cool down and it feels Refreshing it feels like the greatest gift in the world to you because it's like at this point if you're doing it right Sitting in that hot water. It's like your heart rate comes back up and you just you really kind of feel like you're gonna get dizzy Then you jump in that cold water and it brings you back down Nothing in the world makes me feel like I want to pass out more than doing that and it's like I immediately almost every single time I go I'll just lay lay on the bed and I have to physically lay down and just like take like 10 minutes Just to kind of collect myself before I can stand but if you do that before you go to bed It's like guaranteed you were gonna have not only the deepest sleep that you've probably had in months But you were gonna wake up feeling so refreshed because it's like you're getting that mental clarity You're getting that chance for your brain to actually recover and heal itself You're getting the opportunity to let your muscles actually repair the damage that you've probably been doing in them for weeks And you just haven't been able to catch up on your sleep So it's not necessarily that you need to have like eight or nine hours but if you're able to actually Like Introduce the right hormonal balance in into your body before you go into your sleep cycles That'll actually allow you to have longer duration of deep ends and REM wave sleep The restorative sleep that you need. Yeah, yeah, because one like deep wave is basically I was I always get these mixed up But it's like deep I believe it is best for your muscular like Rehabilitation whereas like REM sleep is better for your like cognitive like repair Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're braining like you're seeing as a universe system and stuff and You know, it's also I mean like I wear like an aura ring, you know And I saw this where like a whoop, you know, all the time But I kind of just don't like wear watches so I just stopped wearing those But on a regular basis I track my you know my HRV I'll track my in my sleep scores and things and I really love my aura ring because it actually gives you like a really specific look Like it gives you like a graph like you love your you're not a sponsor. It's not I it's not a sponsor at all, but Yeah, yeah People actually ask me all the time just like what do you use and it's like I've used whoop and it's used aura for About a year and a half, you know, maybe like two years at this point with with our ring And I have to say like I personally prefer the aura ring just because it's more minimal Charges in no time, but the the analytics are just like I think just more appropriate for what I need When I want to train if I want to see my actual like heart rate and stuff. I'll wear my you know like Puller age 10, you know, and I'll just like track that training session But I don't really need to see like how many calories I've burned in a full day just by wearing a whoops job, you know It's like I want to track my like how my nervous system is actually working So but that that I don't know if you've tried that I think that it's like a really really helpful tip that that works for me Like the contrast showers. Yeah, never I've done contrast baths before but never never as a mechanism to promote Deep deeper restorative sleep. I've done it for muscle therapy like yeah, you know cool cool to dull pain and then then hot to To cause relaxation and when you understand the science behind it Yeah, when you understand the science behind it and like you understand the kind of like oh, I'm actually chilling out this cortisol production to It makes it makes it makes total sense. Yeah, it makes total sense when you understand the inverse relationship between cortisol and melatonin like it's it's just a way of It's just a way of stimulating those those toggles in an external manner like it it totally makes sense. I'm gonna Should we should just fucking end this like right now. So I actually sound smarter than I am. Yeah Well, I was actually gonna say I'm gonna go give it a try like right now right now I'm gonna go to bed because it is 1125 and I just said how much I need to actually focus on getting good sleep So now I have now I have a tip to hopefully quiet myself down and a little bit. I told you I was gonna be hyped up for the next couple hours You know, yeah, I love I love these conversations. I really do this is like one of the favorite parts of my week I love having these conversations. So I this was this was a lot of fun Well, maybe we'll just put it out of long form and put a couple interludes in there where we can we can promote the Twin Cities kettlebell open August or August, August, October 23rd here in Minnesota Tim the emphasis for you Bobby Bobby Hicks Bobby Hicks will be there Lift in the double 28 kilo Yeah, I forgot that for for long cycle so again, go back to that posterity issue and stuff So like my goal is my Russian coach is gonna kill me if this doesn't happen. I have to drop down from the What 94 kilo way class or so I have to drop from there down to the 84 kilo way class because you know that's that's my goal But my Russian coach is also forcing me He's we moved to 28s. It's been too long. You can't do 24s and so he's got more confidence in than I do So I have a lot of work to catch up to but I think that I'm gonna be ready. I'll be ready Yes, I see you. I see you my not getting videos. I know what you'll be ready. I'm not being my best set But I'm gonna be ready for it. So it's gonna be an awesome set. You're gonna crush it I know it the crowds gonna be there think about that man like once the last time you lifted in front of people Was the last time you've been around all your all your all your boys, right? Like and seeing like one's gonna be there We're gonna they say you're gonna drug Carter and then drag him and drag him out on the plane like that's what I hear so The closest thing that I got to this was like that that time that I got a chance so what recently you invited me onto your Your zoom lifting with your with your team and I also had my laptop on the side with the Canadians and Rav4 you know, and I did a for some reason I saw like that no borders challenge And I was just like hey, let me give this marathon triathlon a shot and see what the fuck is up And so I did double 20 kilo marathon triathlon Which is from minute one to 10 jerks for 20 double 20s minute 11 to 20 11 to 20 was long cycle and then from 21 to 30 I dropped down and I was going to do double half snatch But my grip was just done at that point, but then I finished with Your 20 kilo snatch for the last 10 minutes and it was worth this. I'm sorry I got through it because you guys so We'll see what happens maybe magic by half of the 28s I think so you'll you'll earn you'll earn your failure if nothing else Well, I'm gonna earn my sleep tonight after the next two hours of me finishing this, but hopefully you will too And thank you again for having me on there, man. I'm going to I'm going to actively avoid listening to this one I was just going to ask actually if you'll if this one will have to be skipped over since like a lot of people can't Can't listen to themselves. It's that's the most painful part for me is the audio editing where I'm like oh God It's kind of funny actually. I think I'll probably listen to it But it's funny because I'm I'm able to kind of just detach from something and just like listen to it objectively Is if I listening to it the first time there's so many things that we've already said that like I'm half paying attention to as well You know, it's like my standard brain only picks up in fragments. So I usually if I do a podcast I actually kind of love going back and like hearing it once or so just to kind of be like oh, I totally forgot about that I can't I can't believe how fucking smart I sounded right there And ruining it with things like this We can always edit in posts That's the joy. Well, thank you very much, man. Go get your work done. I'm going to go try out a contrast shower and And go get go get some deeper storage of sleep. I believe in you Talk to you later brother. Thanks for coming on. Thank you Thanks for listening to this episode of the platform podcast. 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