2nd Annual St. Paddy's Day Special w/ David Keohan

Season 6 | Episode 12 Happy St. Paddy’s Day! Continuing the tradition from last year, I welcome back my friend and Irishman David Keohan. He is a stone lifter, mobility specialist, ket Welcome to the platform podcast where we talk to coaches, athletes, experts, and real people to learn about their approaches to training, nutrition, mindset, and much more. I'm your host, Jordan Kunde-Wright, founder and head coach of the Twin Cities Kettlebell Club, and I'm on a mission to help others build sustainable, healthy lifestyles. Before we jump into the episode, I want to remind you that registration is open for the second annual Twin Cities Kettlebell Open on October 22, hosted by our friends at the Athlete Lab in Little Canada, Minnesota. And just as we did last year, we'll also include options for video submission for participants who are unable to make the trip in person. You'll be eligible for all of the same prizes as our in-person competitors. Just go to our website, Twin Cities Kettlebell Club dot com for details. Happy St. Patrick's Day, everyone. Continuing our tradition from last year, I welcome back my friend and Irishman David Kewin. He's a stone lifter, mobility specialist, kettlebell athlete, and coach. So please grab a glass of Guinness and raise a toast to health with us. Slantcha. And I just want to take this second to say, I'm incredibly grateful that you listened to this podcast. Of course, the best way you could support me would be to register for the Twin Cities Kettlebell Open and maybe tell a couple of friends. Just go to our website, Twin Cities Kettlebell Club dot com for details. And of course, if you haven't already, please be sure to leave a rating and review of the platform podcast and your app of choice. And be sure to support my work by supporting our sponsors whose affiliate links you'll find in the episode notes. And if you want to help reaching your goals without wasting time, please fill out the coaching interest form linked in the show notes. I help athletes of all levels using my integrated coaching approach. You can follow me on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube at Twin Cities Kettlebell Club, or email me at Twin Cities Kettlebell Club at gmail.com. Without further ado, let's step onto the platform with David Killing. You're going to see, I got a new toy here, so see if you can, let me know if you can hear this. Oh, I can hear it. All right. Happy St. Patrick's Day, everyone. Welcome into this episode of the platform podcast carrying on with their tradition from last year. My good friend, Mr. David Killing, there's a stone lift in Irishman. He's coming in to have a couple of points against me, talk to Kettlebell Sport and stone lifting and all sorts of wonderful things. So I've got to give you a little bit of Irish interlude here. I love it, man. Keep playing out of there the whole thing, but you please, that's great. I'm pretty sure I'll get sued soon, so I'm going to, I'm going to fade, I'm going to fade it out. How are you, brother? Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for coming in and, hey, cheers, slantia, happy, slantia to my friend. There we go. Happy St. Patrick's Day. You too, man. What are you, what are you drinking there? I'm drinking a nice 10-year-old talaskar. Oh, you're going with the scotch, the scotch on St. Patrick's Day. All right. I know I love the scotch. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Irish, guys. I just love the scotch. Sorry, man. Sorry, man. That's all right. You got to go with what you like. Exactly, man. How are you even keeping yourself? I've been, I've been well, man. I've been, I've been, I've been super, I've been super busy. You know, I, you know, I was telling you a little bit off, I've been, I've been trying to, I've been trying to keep myself in shape while I'm dealing with this, this shoulder, this shoulder injury. And I got a, thank Steve and Rito for finally kicking me in the ass, giving me some, giving me some programming that, that works around the shoulder restriction that I'm dealing with. But all in all, man, life, life is good. Besides from not being able to, to do a snatch or a long cycle with my right, with my right arm right now. But all in all, life is good. How about you, man? I'm great. Thank God. Great. Jordan, don't really do it. Kind of back on the old workshop train again, back, back teaching again. After a long layoff with Paul, as you can imagine, but everybody kind of took the legs open and read everybody. So, back teaching and back, like going abroad again and meeting new people. And teaching what I love, which is kettlebell sport and mobility and the mobility for kettlebell sports as we've talked about in previous podcasts and stuff. So, it's just been great. I'm just back in England that the weekend gone. I was over an Essex teaching and had a great time really well received. So, just great to be back to England again, man, because it was such a long, fucking two years that I covered. Wasn't it really emotionally, mentally, and kind of physically drained in a couple of years? Wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. It's funny. I was, I just had a little date met with my wife last night and we were, we were talking at the dinner table. I actually told her, I took the dog for a walk yesterday and it was kind of like in Minnesota, it felt like the first day of spring because it was like 50 degrees yesterday for the first time all year. So it was finally warm and temperate and I've got a little dog without much fur so he's a Boston Terrier. So, he doesn't go do well in the wintertime going for walks, you know? So he basically hasn't really been on very many walks. I took him out yesterday and he was just so fucking excited to get out of the house and run around smelling everything and I was like, man, he's like, he's going through what all of us have been going through and I really just had like this deep, deep sense of appreciation for the fact. I was like, man, it really feels like maybe we're finally through this thing and I felt like I didn't even want to jinx myself thinking that I was like, you know, crossing myself through on salt over my shoulder, like, you know, all this stuff, but I'm like, it feels like we're finally coming out of this and I just felt so like deeply grateful to be out and about and feeling like I can walk around without a mask on and like I went to a grocery store and the grocery store people didn't have masks on for the first time in a long time and it's like, all right, maybe we're finally getting through this and to get through this winter and like and get into the spring. It just, I don't know, there's just kind of this feeling of number. You know, metaphorical about that as well, you know, I mean, kind of a new growth and we're kind of starting to move out of a very long kind of metaphorical winter that we were all over two years. You know what I mean? We were in case we were down the whole for two years, exactly, we're starting to climb up out of it now and things are starting to regrow and you're back doing things that you were doing, that you took the granted two years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, the exact same thing. It's up my way from the last night. For the first time in two years, I think, we went out to the, just out to the pub, it's hard part day. We went out, we had two points and a bite to ease and it was like, we haven't done this in two and a half years now. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just like you said, everyone else, like it, it's Chet and I'm racing, it's on some places. I tell you what it's going to cheer and I'm just a great pause. It's like, yeah, it's kind of back to the bit of normality, you know, which is great, long overdue. Well, cheers to that, too, man. I'm pouring some of your wife's whiskey here. I got the, I got the keeper's heart Irish American whiskey from the O'Shaunasey distillery here, which I learned as your, is your wife's maiden name. I'm going to figure out how to get you a bottle, even if that means I got a, I got a flight Ireland to get you in. I'm telling you, we're making an exo here to move. O'Shaunasey whiskey. I said, you got to get me a bottle of that. I said, that's really the best deal. I'm probably the best. Yeah. I'm working on it, man. I got to see, but apparently shipping a bottle of booze across the Atlantic without permission is a big deal. Looking into, looking into the roles apparently they take that very seriously. It's like international bootlegging and you know, you can get, you can get caught up in the Patriot Act for shipping a combustible item on an airplane or, you know, I might not want to mess with that. About the right permits. We will be messing with that. Come here. How's all the team getting on it? It was their train. They're doing, they're doing really well, man. It's, you know, I'm, I'm really excited that I, I think one of the things I love the most is when I get, when I get new, when I get new people turned on to kettlebell sport. Obviously, I love, I love all the people that have been with me for, for years now. But when I get, when I get a hold of a new person, that's like never done kettlebell sport before and they're coming from hard style and, you know, I've got a couple, I got a couple of those people. You know, I got a guy that just joined, just joined the team, you know, last week, Steve, who's a former college offensive lineman like me, he's six foot seven and he's been doing nothing but hard style, you know, and so he's, he's learning kettlebell sport and he's posting up his workouts. He's like, I love this. I never, I'd never hurt, he'd never heard of it before he didn't, he didn't know anything about it, you know, until, until recently and I was like, oh, dude, you're going to, you're going to dig this because I know you're missing, didn't, yep, the hooks in, and I know, I know it's going to scratch that competitive spirit, you know, that, that, you know, our competitive athletes have. And I was like, oh, you're going to, you're going to love it and I'm sure you love it, man. Welcome down the rabbit hole. You're one of us, one of us, you know, so, and he's, I told him we were doing, we were doing a snatch set and I was like, all right, I got good news and bad news for you. I said, the good news is you're six foot seven and you have really long levers. The bad news is you're six foot seven and you have a really long way to move the kettle belt. That's going to end up with hook and like over seven foot in the air, you know, yeah, yeah, he's, yeah, he's, he's got some long arms and he's got to move the bells a long way. But man, when, when he gets that arm straight, it just, I mean, it just, yeah, it flies up there. So it's, it's going really well, man. How about you? No problem. We want to know. Do you even lift bells anymore, bro? And competitively. No, just in general, all I see is stone lifting from you. You can just go, you and your fucking rocks, man. Oh, I mean, the rocks are having a great time. Yeah. I love my rocks. But I'm, I'm still lifting, I'd say at least twice a week, I'd say that's, I'm training one guy. He's a, he's a doctor and a local hospital and then he just, we just got the champion at a mobility course about a year and a half ago. And I just got to talk on my kettlebells and he's like, what's kettlebells? So we're at the back train and he, at least once a week, he comes down to me, right? I have a couple of kettlebells at the back of the Fardy A's, at 36, a couple of heavy ones, a couple of pair 28s, a pair of 20s, and we're lifting bells, just doing endurance sets, at least once or twice a week with him. And then I'm doing a two or three and we're about two a week with the stone lifting. Nice. About four a week. Nice. We're training sessions a week and do my mobility every morning. So it's just been working really well, Jordan, because I mean, I'm lifting really heavy day. You know, I'm lifting heavier than I've ever ever lifted. What was the stone? I saw you, I saw you got a, you got a stone, you almost chested a stone that was, that was freaking massive. What did that thing weigh? You're, you're, that one, that one there, do it a day, just yesterday, yeah, I'd say at least 150 kilos, you know, so, um, so just, just, just, just napkin math. That's like, that's, that's, you know, 350-ish pounds for, for those, for those of us on this side of the pond, that's, you know, and it doesn't sound too heavy, right? Yes, it does. It could be a little bit. It's more like dead lifting up with a bar relatively, you know, in fairness, it's relatively easily moving from fifth, but it's just to get down on the, on the rose, the ones, man. And I'm on the beach, I'm really, really loose and so like, when you're lifting on a non-stable surface, but a non-stable object, it, it ramps it up a lot. So it's still, I haven't so much fun with it. I never thought I'd keep it going. Remember, we were talking about this in the last couple of podcasts, I, I've done a load of necessities because I was just lifting up because I'm up, one of my wife's stone-carried, beautiful piece of stone, which is never an absolute shit of the pack. Just full of modern, it's just, it's the last cause, it is the, but, um, just kept it going because I really enjoyed it. I remember I said that I was going to go over to Scott, yeah, just, that, that, that, that, put the hook in the order. I couldn't, I couldn't believe who loved us. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's awesome. And you got, you got recognized, I think, uh, if I saw it, you got recognized, like, as the stone lifter of the year, right, by the, what, the stone-listing association, or, I, I don't remember what the organization was. Yeah, it was, and the stone, I think society, so, and they just said you're in the sharpest far, far stone, if they're the year, I was like, do you mean the, in the sharpest of that fantastic? Cause they just go, he's more stronger than me, George. You know what I mean? And they're doing it the hell about hunger. Oh, yeah. I'm only dealing with this. It's cold. It's only two years. But, like that, because if you approach anything with passion, it's something that you really enjoy. If you do with passion, if you do it, there was, and give it everything you have, I suppose, and you put that out and allowing people to recognize that, and they see it. So I just got this, um, this text off the go, he says, look, congratulations. You've won natural stone-list of the year for, yeah, 2021. And I got a couple of nice little presents, and they've been in order already, and a couple of interviews and stuff. And I just couldn't believe it. You know, it was like, cause I only do this a short time. I wasn't so long ago. I couldn't pick up that 60 kilo stone and my wife made it. I could barely laugh it. I know two years later, I'm actually still a lifter of the year. You know what I mean? And that was a worldwide code. You know what I mean? That wasn't just gave it to me. Like everybody in the whole world had to vote for it. So like, I think that is a big way. Yeah, for sure. Ones, it's kind of, it's kind of proof to your proof to your thesis, right? Um, you know, I, if I, if I can be so bold as to say that you're kind of your mantra has been that you can't fully express your strength unless you have flexibility and mobility throughout your range as a motion. And so the fact that you've worked so much on your mobility over the over the few years, like, if people haven't seen it, go check out David's, uh, David's feed because it's, when you see, when you see him lift this 150 kilo stone, uh, he has to get down to a full depth squat, to grasp with 150 kilos on his thighs that he's bear hugging. And I see it doing like the hip opening and closing and like I see a, I see a maneuvering, you know, doing internal external rotation, you know, and I'm just like, and, you know, and having done some of your mobility drills and I'm like, fuck that looks like it hurts. Like my, my hip flexors were screaming just, just watching it. But like, you know, for how rapidly you've been able to, to transition from being a high level kettlebell sport lifter, uh, to, to now being, you know, what I would consider at least a, a high level stone lift going apparently other stone lifters think so as well. Even though, you know, you say there are people a lot stronger than you, but they're probably much, much bigger than you too. You know, so relative to your body weight, you're lifting stones that are, you're lifting stones that are heavier than your body weight, like 1.5 times your body weight, like that's super impressive. And the mobility component of it that's, that's required, um, I think is, I think is, I think is probably the thing that's most impressive to me partially because I know what it is and I know that I don't have it. So you're always, you're always envious of, of people that can, can do things that, that you can't do. Um, I mean, you're, you're, you know, a solid 80 pounds lighter than me probably and able to lift stones that are way better than I would ever be able to because of how mobile you are and you're able to express that strength and ranges that I can't even get to. That's, I mean, that's a very very succinct thing to say. It's something I was talking about to anybody who would be, who was listening to me over the last couple of years in podcasts, like I've been on a lot and, um, just saying that once you have the mobility to express yourself freely, um, and once you, once you can use your whole body, become more body aware, especially when we do kettlebells, I mean, when we live kettlebells, we become more aware of a breathing, become more aware of how the body works and pendulum motions, become, do we just come more aware of how the body works? And then I took that to the stone lifting and because my mobility, like especially my hips was really, really good, I could get my whole body involved in the lift and some guys who were bigger than me, maybe 40, 50 kilos heavier. Well, you know, I was lifting the same stones as they were, I went like on that stone at the tour, I met up with two guys, I got Jamie Garry on 250 kilos. He's competing, um, Scarlett Strongman, and I met up with a guy called Ben Karlin, who is another guy, he's about 140 kilos, and he's competing Scarlett Strongman. And these guys are massive, six, four, and six, two. And here's me, five foot nine, and I've been 90 kilos. You know what I mean? They're looking at me. What's this? We fuck out gonna do it. You know what I mean? You know, so I can look alone. You know what I mean? And yeah, you're gonna lift that stone. And then they were kind of shocked that I could, you know what I mean? I could, you know what I mean? It really kind of, what they were happy about, it was like, it's really impressive. You know, you could, you could lift that. And we, we were kind of struggling to lift it. And so you, but you could do it as well. And you're, you know, almost half our body weight. Yeah. You know, because you can get your whole body involved, not just your back and not just, you know what I mean, whatever. You could do a bit more, you know what I mean? And probably people would expect you to, they would believe you could do so. Yes. So pretty awesome. So you've got your, sorry mate. No, I was just saying that mobility is strength. Just my, my, my, my, my mantra is mobility is strength. Strength is mobility. It's like they're both intertwined so more so, you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. So you have your, you have your kettle yoga, yoga seminars and, and you teach, you teach a lot of the, you teach a lot of the mobility, uh, requisite for kettlebell sport, uh, is, is, uh, is stone, is stone yoga, uh, or stone mobility, stone mobility coming soon. Is, are you, are you starting to work with stone lifters on their, on their mobility now that you're getting some notoriety and people are seeing that you're, that your ability to get to those end ranges is, is part of your power. And not, not yet. It hasn't, it hasn't, it hasn't manifested yet. Um, I'm still really, really enjoying being involved in kettlebells, you know, and, and doing that to seminars that way. I mean, I'd love to get involved with some strong men, because like there is a lot of guys out there who are like very, very stiff. Oh, yeah. What could you do with a couple more mobility, you know what I mean? But then you get, then you get some guys, you know, uh, I don't know if you know Martin, Martin Lekis, the world's strongest man, uh, he's, he has great mobility. He has, and he's worked his ass off over the last two years on, really asked. Yeah, and I, and I think he would, I think he would say, I mean, maybe I can get him on the podcast. Yeah. I would, I would love to, I would love to interview him to, to hear what, what he would say about, about his mobility, because I know he has really focused on that the last couple of years, and that's really upped his game to kind of the next level. I mean, he's, that's when he's really started dominating, uh, I mean, strong man powerlifting, like he can do it all at this point, because he can, he can, he was already really strong, but he focused so much on getting, getting that ability to be able to express that strength throughout all of his ranges of motion. It's really super impressive. When you see a guy who's, I'm not thinkin' for conversion simply, but, yeah, or three hundred and forty pounds just that can do the splits and can you can do all, you know, he's the best in the world, I mean when you take it into performance score context, look at the legs, like the mark off, the exact same thing, but I mean, generally, it seems to be the guy who is the most flexible and strength, you know, those two-minute or 20s tend to be near the top of the heap always. You know what I mean? So there's a lot in it. A lot of people tend to sacrifice one for the other, and when I was doing the workshop, they were over the weekends, like even the guys James and Pierre was over James, and he was like, David, he said it was really interesting to see somebody like, you know, there's something like you, you know, you're 90 kilos, you know, you're very, fairly strong looking, doing all these crazy yoga shapes, you know, and I wasn't just a guy who was like, you know, 95 pounds, I mean, like a rope doing it. You know what I mean? He says it's actually more, it's actually really interesting for people to see a guy who'd be bigger, strong, to be able to move like you can as well. It's kind of an inspiring thing to see, so it's nice to be able to share that with people, you know what I mean? That you don't have to be just one or the other really focusing on both would help you at no end, you know, in any whatever sport you're into. Yeah, absolutely. That's really, I think the thing that, you know, when you go back like, what would you, what would you tell your 18-year-old self, right? Like, or your 16-year-old self, I would be like, stretch, work on your mobility, right? Like that would be the biggest thing that I probably would have told my younger, told my younger self is really work on your mobility because, you know, so I've, so I'm such a collection of old injuries that, you know, even now, even now as I go, you know, go through, meet some of these doctors about some of these injuries and rehab and they're like, they're like, yeah, it'll probably take like six months and you'll get back to like 90 percent. Like, there's a cumulative degradation of, you know, accumulation of injury that doesn't allow you to recover back to your previous capability. So the, you know, rule number one of my team, you know, is don't get hurt. We don't get hurt in practice, right? Rule number one is don't get hurt. You can continue progressing unless you're hurt. So like, that mobility piece is such a huge component of injury prevention. There's a lot of no overlooked as well, isn't it? I mean, there's very little people, like people will talk about it, they'll give it a lot of lip service, but not a lot of people actually get down on that too. You know what I mean? I'm, I'm talking to an article, he tells him to take more, I mean, Jesus, 15, 20 minutes in the morning. It's the, it's the easiest thing to cut for time. Like, it's because, because, because, because, because a, a, it's, it's harder than you think, especially when you don't have it, right? It's one of those things. It's so much easier to preserve it than it is to build it. Like once it's gone away, man, it's, it's, it's a lot more effort. It's hard to get it back. It's not about 12. It's 12 to get it back. It is, it is. But you're, but you're absolutely right. Like if, if you can spend, if you can spend even just 10, 15 minutes before your session, so if you're a kettlebell lifter, right? Like, this is the thing that I try and, I try and focus on with my team is like, okay, we have a joint mobility routine that we do before. We have a specific warm up, or we have a general warm up, and then we have a specific warm up. Well, that's 30, that's 30 minutes. If you do, if you do it, 30 to 45 minutes of warm up time, if you do all of that, and then you've got of an hour, an hour of, of kettlebell, and then you should do a yoga cool down at the end of it to restore working length, right? Okay, that's ideal. That's, but that's a two hour commitment if you're going to do all of the things. But I'm like, okay, if you do nothing else, just do the mobility portion and, like, just do the, just do the joint mobility and the active warm up. That's 15, 20 minutes, and that can be your off day routine, because that in and of itself is actually, it's not a workout, but it's, it's, it's a commitment that you can make to improve your performance. And you can do it, you can do that on your off days. Oh, do on your off days. That's what you do. I mean, when I'm lifting, I mean, I'm lifting very heavy kettlebells, not the warm up, and when I'm lifting kettlebells, I'm going to lift the stones, I will do a minimum warm up. I mean, I'm talking five minutes max, five minute warm up, okay? Then I'll warm up them with the actual specific movement I'm doing, I build up weight, and then I just start lifting. And now in that morning, important to say, I did this in the evening time, maybe after work, in the morning, I've already done at least 20 to half an hour of just gentle movements, range of motion work, and maybe a bit of yoga. But when I'm actually lifting, I do a minimum warm up, I do my lifting, and I generally, I won't do a warm down for all of my, all of my mobility work is done in the mornings. So I say, the morning after I've done the heavy session, I will do a good 30 minutes of mobility work, almost like just to see what needs a bit of help. And I'll walk through that, and then I'll do that every, almost every morning to week, you know, maybe one morning week, I won't do it. But all of my mobility work is done in the mornings. That gives me more time to train heavy, when, you know, I'll see, because people are, there will be every, that's the only way to live, you know, they're coming into it to train, maybe I have an hour to train, you know, so it's like a train for maybe 40 minutes, that they will be trained. I do maybe a 5 to 10 minutes of warm up, I'm fighting with them. And that, that's what I've been doing, and I've never lifted heavy on my life, I haven't got any kind of injury of the past two years lifting, pretty down heavy weights and pretty awkward positions, you know. So it seems to me that this, this morning mobility work is really, really paying dividends, and it's not easing into more specific training to many people. So that makes sense. This is just for me, but I'm just saying that if people ever wanted to, you know, have a talk with those dogs, that this is just more, you know, it seems to be a strength day in a stretch day, so strength, strength, strength, that kind of way, and it seems you walk a really well so far. I like it, I like it, and that's, I always advocate for make it, make it fit your life. So, but feel free to tell me if I'm fucking up here, because this is a, this is a legitimate question. Right, I'm not, I'm curious because for me, stretching in the morning seems less beneficial, I get, I get less benefit from stretching in the morning than stretching after work, after I've been sitting, asking this chair for eight, nine, 10 hours, you know, straight or, well, not straight, but I try and get up and go for walks and do things like that. But I find for me personally, because I spend so much time behind a desk, that I get more benefit stretching after I've been seated all day than if I do it in the morning before I go to work. And then because then I, then I find like, okay, I stretch out, I feel good, I go sit, I'm in an hour, I'm in four consecutive hours of Zoom meetings. And the by the time I get up to go, go grab my lunch, I'm like, ah, I'm stiff again. And so, like, I find, I find I get better benefit doing it in the afternoon. And if you get better, better, better, do it that way, that's the full percent break we did it, because everybody's different than everybody's, you know what I mean, livelihoods is different. I mean, I'm standing over there so I don't, I don't have that kind of position all day. I'm standing up and walk around and I'm lifting and pulling and dragging. So, I mean, it seems to me in the morning, you know, to get myself kind of energized, to go into work in a more physical work. So, I mean, and it makes sense for you then to when you come home after being kind of, you know, like, a stuck in Zoom meetings and, yeah, and hunched over on things, do a little bit of stretching, you feel great after that's perfect, absolutely perfect. I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad I've kind of sensitized, or I guess I've desensitized my co-workers to meeting on walks while I'm on Zoom meetings. So, they're used to hearing me like huffing and puffing and walking in the wind. But now I have this nice microphone and everything. And so, when, when I'm not away from my desk and they're like, oh, you sound way back, like, well, yeah, because I'm not, I'm not taking a walk while I'm on the Zoom meeting. But I have, you know, I got to be pretty grateful for the fact that my co-workers don't care and like my clients don't care. They're like, they're like, oh, no, get your steps in. That's great. Like, everybody's real supportive of being out and about, which is, which is nice. Like I can, now that the weather's turning, I can, I can, I've already seen my average steps go up by like 2,500 steps a day, just because I can now go outside. Exactly. It was like minus 10 up to recent. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we literally had a 50 degree Fahrenheit swing. It was, it was, it was minus 10, minus 10 degrees with the windshield Fahrenheit. And then it went to 40 degrees in the span of three days. I mean, that's the nature of living in Minnesota in springtime, you know, the transition from winter to spring. So as it's been kind of crazy. And, you know, my wife's like, well, you can't call it spring because we're going to give another snowstorm. I'm like, yeah, I know we're going to get another snowstorm. But, you know, I can still be happy about the fact that it's warm enough for me to go walk outside right now. I love the idea of that kind of a shift in the seasons because I mean, here, it just rains like warm rain and cold rain. That's pretty much what we get. You know, me, we get about 340 days of rain. I do, I do love the change in the seasons. It's, it's funny because people are like, how can you live there? It's so fucking cold in the winter. And I'm like, yeah, but then you appreciate the warmth of the spring. And like, I just, I love the transition. You get the, you get the, the beauty of the spring. And then summer's awesome. You get time on the lakes. And then fall, you get the change of the leaves and the colors and it's football season and all that, you know, let's do it, man. Let's do it. I want to get you, I want to get you over here, man. We've been talking about that for two, two years plus now. And, you know, for this whole pandemic thing through a, through a wrench in the, in the plan. But, big time. Definitely, we definitely would love to get you over there. I'd be class, you know what I mean? Because things just sound open up. You're starting to, you know, get your, get your set back. Yeah, I can do this like go places again. And I can support and things. And so it's, yeah, it's great. It's great. So you got, you got what? Seven, you got seven months almost to the day. We got seven months until the Twin Cities kettlebell open. So seven months and seven months in a week between now and between now and October 22nd. So, you know, I think, I think we should get you over here for a, for a kettle, a kettle, a kettle, a seminar after the Twin Cities kettlebell open. I think that would be, that would be a lot of fun. I think that would be awesome. I think it would be, I think it would be, I hope it would be better. I hope it would be better. Because, you know, the one, obviously, when last weekend, I'm sorry to keep having night work, but it was the first time that I done a workshop for somebody who wasn't involved in kettlebell sport at all. Because all my other seminars were, obviously, with people who, who had met before, true kettlebell sport are, who would do kettlebell sport. And, um, this guy James, I was on his podcast, and he held out of the podcast. And he was like, you know, a film, what you're saying, really interesting. I lived hard style kettlebells. He does the strength first. And he was like, um, would you come over and just let talk to us about, you know, kettlebell sport. And, um, everybody who's common is into our style. Nobody's on sport before. So, they're like, oh, that'd be an interesting challenge. You know what I mean? I'd be like, if I could, thank you, Sean. Let's set a timer. How are we going to think about this? You know, because the breathing technique is going to be different. So, relaxation, you know, the least moments in a beast mode. And, you know, so how many people are going to think about it? So, the stars, you can see they were kind of a little bit skeptic. And then he started talking about what you've done with kettlebells. So, like you said, look, I lived to two, 32s for 10 minutes. People were kind of like, did it what? And then yeah, and then you know, two, 20s for 16 minutes. And then I lived for two, 16s for 120 minutes. And they were like, you did what? We showed you how. You know, the hope was in. And then they were, they were really in. But they were, they were really, really enjoyed. And they all got something out of it. Because in the strength force, and when you're doing your, you have to pass a test to be menstrual, there's a 100 rep. Snap. Five, five, five minutes, 24, 24 kilos, 100 reps. And you were saying, look, you know, there's, there's, there's women out there who could do that one hour. I mean, Abigail Johnson, anyone. You can name about four or five Russians at the top of the head. Yeah, we know, but just one arm, you know, and the colleagues are going, they did what? I don't believe you. And then you show them, like, that's incredible. So it's a different way of using the same implements. So they were just fascinating ways. They're really awesome. That's awesome. They were open to it. And that, because that's the, that's really the key. Like I, I, I broke my own, my own role and got into a Facebook, Facebook. It wasn't really a spat, but I've been, I've been really trying to not engage with people that are being combative or anything on Facebook. But there was this, there was this guy who posted in the kettlebell king's chat about how, you know, he's like, I don't understand why anybody would do kettlebell sport when you can get just as, you can get just as good to workout or a better workout doing, doing hard style. And yet, and I was like, I was like, okay, you don't, it's different in Pence. You don't, you don't, you don't, you don't understand. And the guy was a Brazilian jujitsu instructor. And so I was like, okay, he's like, he's like, the only time I use kettlebell sport is when I'm hurt or when I, when I'm recovering. And I was like, I was like, okay, what's your experience with hard style versus kettlebell sport? And he was like, well, I've, I've been doing, I've been doing it because I was like, you're, you're a comment clearly shows a lack of understanding of the physical requirements of kettlebell sport. And he was like, you're, you're wrong. If you think I don't understand kettlebell, I was like, that's not what I said. I said, you didn't understand kettlebell sport. So what's your experience? I've only, I've only, I've only done it one, this past, I got exposed to it last year. And I've only done it one, I'm hurt or sick. And I'm like, I've been doing hard style for 15 years. I'm like, great. So you have a very differential level of understanding of hard style versus versus sport. Like you have what I would call a white belt level understanding of kettlebell sport. Like maybe you should listen to other people who are giving you feedback when you ask for feedback. Yeah, exactly. Listen. I mean, to have to have that white belt mentality, listen to other people, other people have ideas as well. You're not the center of the universe. And that's when I just thought so many people just think that they're ready for everything. But I mean, it was great that that James was so open to bring me over because I was saying to him, he said, look, how's the kettlebell fantastic? They're absolutely fantastic. If you're a combat athlete, if you're a sport, like a field sport athlete, the Geneva Exclosivity, you go hard side all the way. You always do hard side training. If you're someone who's in different jurors, if you're a swimmer or or are, you know, a long distance runner or whatever, then you're, you go GS because it's going to really, really happy with you know, there's a place there's a place for both. Like so, so even if you're even if you're a rugby player, right? Rugby is a very anaerobic sport for the most part in the similar way of of American football, right? Or soccer, right? Yes, you need to have an aerobic base, but the differentiators are the ability to perform anaerobically, the sprinting, like those are the things that really differentiate. Well, guess what? You need to have a well-rounded, you need to be powerful. You also need to have cart, you need to have cardio vascular base, right? So a hybrid approach is actually probably best because you should work on power development. Hard style is great for that as is barbell, as are, you know, heavy loads moved explosively. There's a value to that. But also if you can be efficient and work on your gate and work on your mobility and work on your cardio, like those things are also super important. So hybrid approaches are usually actually best. But you have to be open minded and be open minded, be open minded, that's exactly it, you know? And if more people were like that, the world would be ahead of that easier. And social media is just white for people who just believe their ways. Generally, it's younger, you know, generally, I mean, sweeping generalization. Younger people tend to say, this is the one way to do it. Back in my day, people used to listen. But I mean, it's just that that's the reason I call myself Irish New Valley, because I like to just explore every avenue of training. And just this everybody has something to give, you know? And even in a mobility course, they have talked to me about arenas and yogis and martial artists and Russian strongmen and everybody has a difference. You know, all these little tributaries slow into the river mobility. I mean, no one has the one right way. So it's nice to talk to people and take everything aboard. And do what Bruce Lee says, take it on a board, but a place to you take it, it doesn't beat you. You have to be willing to be wrong. You have to be willing to try things that that might be beyond your beyond your current comprehension. But I think that's I think that's super I think that's super important. I got to I got to I got a game for you that I want to that I want to play with you real quick. Really a second. I got to I got to pull I got to pull up my notes here. It's it's it's called how Irish is it since since we are since we are since we are celebrating Saint Patrick's Day here. I'm I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and ask you a few a few things I'm gonna give you a list of things and you can tell me how Irish something actually is because I think there's a lot of things that we do in America that we think are Irish and they're really not that Irish or not I'm not Irish at all. But you can you can you fucking you stereo times the bed here. Let's go. Yeah. Let's let's let's go at it. So you could you could tell me all right. So how how Irish is it? Um wearing green on Saint Patrick's Day or else you get pinched. Pinched? Pinched. Yeah pinched. No never heard of it. All right. How about how about green beer? Green beer does happen in Ireland. Yes. I remember drinking that as a student and puking green pukes. So that's done. Pretty vividly. There is green beer. Not a lot of it. But it's definitely with a green beer. Okay. Okay. So there it is. So there is green drinking drinking Guinness. Oh Jesus. Very very very Irish right. Oh, there's there's the gates. I'll be having a few of them tomorrow. I can't wait. I just poured I just poured one right right now. So that's that's why that's why that came to mind. Okay. How about drinking Jamison? Is is Jamison a very popular Irish whiskey? Um Jamison. Oh, my wife just took my wife to probably the best wife ever. That's a man. Yeah. And I'm mostly trying to talk about the James. I know about the James. She also wrote about the James. It's okay. It's it's apparently fairly Irish. Does she know about the O'Shaughnessy distillery? Did you tell her? She's very, she's pretty happy with that. She's going to give you a shot. Can you still read it? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. She's very pleased with your shot. All right. She's going to have to go check it out. Definitely. Definitely. I don't want to present. All right. James, it would be popular definitely yet. Okay. Jamison's proper Irish. All right. How about an Irish car bomb? Irish car bomb. I haven't heard of. That's a drink. Okay. So it's you take you take a like a three-ounce port of Guinness and then you take a shot of like Bailey's Irish cream and you drop it inside and then you then then you slam it. I heard of a buddy. It wouldn't be a thing. It wouldn't be a big take care of all. Not a thing. Okay. Not a thing. How about corn, corn, beef and cabbage? Corn beef. No. And bacon and cabbage. Bacon, right? Yeah. Bacon and ribs. Ribs and cabbage is masked. Yeah. Okay. So corn, corn beef. I know. I know the story behind this. Corn beef became a thing. It's more of an Irish American thing because because Irish bacon in America was really expensive. So they were like, they're like, I'll get some of the cheaper and corn beef was cheaper. So they approximated it and did and did. Yeah. You're close enough with that because you have like the Irish favor be fairly plain. So I mean, like you're talking bacon or bacon ribs and potatoes with butter and cabbage. And it is absolutely delicious. I made I made five I made five pounds of of red potatoes mashed for just me and my wife to eat over the past two days. And it's been it's been fantastic. But I did make corn beef and cabbage as well. That's a that's a tradition for me, even though it's not it's not as Irish as maybe maybe I had to originally thought. How about that? You gotta come over here. Yeah, that that needs to happen. I need to come to the old country. I'm catching catching catching a leprechaun. We've we've had my kids trying to trap a leprechaun for about four years now. And they keep coming up with more and more nefarious and ingenious ways of trying to catch a leprechaun yet they never actually get one. There's some great old stories. I'm actually reading a great couple of great books on Irish fatalities more into their pecans are huge in it. You know, that to have a day down and all that kind of stuff, you know, down to film cool and all those old stories. So they're huge, but it wouldn't be a thing. It wouldn't be a thing here. Not more talk about it, but it's more it's more it's more for the kids that we we try and get the kids we try and get the kids to catch a leprechaun and we tell them if they can catch a leprechaun they get to keep his going. There's a lot of them. They're very very walks, very forts and very doors. So there's a lot of them very, very stuff here, but leprechaun's not as much. Okay. How about dying your rivers green or bodies of water green? Have you have you heard of that? I don't have a year or 12. My wife is just showed in said you have Dolan Dolan. What's her choice? So okay, they've done it a couple of times. Do it in Chicago every year. That's part of the south side south side Irish parade. They they they die of the river green for St. Patrick's Day in Chicago, but that's a that's an American thing. I had I had a feeling. What if you say the river in Cobb's always green because it's so brilliant. Yeah, there's an old old joke in Chicago. It's like they die. They die at green for St. Patrick's Day. They can't die at fucking blue for the rest of the year. So it doesn't look like shit, but pretty similar. That's that that kind of situation. How about how about Shamrock shakes? Have you ever even heard of a Shamrock shakes? No, that's a McDonald's thing. It's a mint it's a mint shake that is green. They're they're actually they're actually pretty good, but they're not very good for you, obviously. How about how about getting hammered drunk? Oh, man, I'm a hammer drunk. What about what about staying sober? I've actually heard that a lot of Irish people stay sober because it is lent. St. Patrick's Day typically falls during lent and there are some people that abstain from alcohol during lent. Is that true or is that bullshit? It's the most Irish thing ever. The party's in the middle of the lens. Everyone just goes on to fucking lash. You know what I mean? It's the most Irish thing ever. Like let's put parties in the middle of the lens. So you just have one way off and go mad and I would want to drink and then go back to lending interview. Everybody I know I was talking today. I work in a shop and everybody is going out on the lash tomorrow. Everyone. Everyone I've talked about 150 people today. And for those of us that don't speak Irish Irish English, going out on the lash means getting hammered drunk, right? Yes, going out on the lash is getting drunk. Exactly. I think it's mainly because we couldn't do it. I mean all the St. Patrick's Day parades have been closed down for the last three years which has never happened ever in order before. So because of that I think this year or the first year in two that we can all go out. So I think everyone has made the most of it. And for the first time ever we're having St. Patrick's Day that everyone has a bank holiday off tomorrow and they're giving us the day off on friday as well. Oh you get a hangover day too? Oh God. You get a hangover day. So everyone is going out on the page but we have friday and the weekend off as well. Oh man, yeah that's yeah that's that's that's that's fantastic. Well isn't I mean isn't one of the benefits of being cat not to be pejorative to Catholics but isn't one of the benefits of being Catholic. You can be like yeah I was supposed to stay sober but I got hammered drunk but I went to confession and I was absolved of my sins by the priest. I did my 10 hell marries and now it's all good. Always take forgiveness. So long as you repent and you pay your penance you're good man. You just do it and then get forgiveness apples. 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There's an affiliate link in the episode notes and you can use code TCKB to get 15% off of your order. All right, last one and I know the answer to this because you're scolding me about it. Spelling spilling St. Patties, P-A-T-T-Y apostrophe, St. Patties Day. You know, people can't see you, man. He's covering his ears and shaking his head at me. Shot dead. Shot dead on his body. So okay, but explain the logic to me because it's St. Patrick's Day, P-A-T-R-I-C-K, right? And yet it's St. Patties, which is D-D-Y-S. Yes, Patties are sharp and Patrick over here. So an envelope or a friend's called Patrick and we never call him Patrick's, called him Patty. You know, so he's Patty, like Patty, our past. So Patty's Day, our Patrick's Day because Patty is the kind of the abbreviation for Patrick over here. Well, why is it D-D? Why is it not T-T? Is that because when it's T-T, it's a female? Like, do we have Patties whiskey? So Patty is the Irish, kind of almost the gaelic portion of a Patrick, P-A-D-D-Y. And then people who pop it just, Ms. Herodot got a patty because- Well, it's just like people like me are like, well, if it's St. Patrick's Day, it should be P-A-T-T-Y, like that. To me, it needs logical sense, but you know, I've been wrong most of my life, just ask my wife. So, you know. No Patty, man. No P-A-D-D-Y over here, no way. Patty's Day, our Patrick's Day, that's it. But generally it's Patty's Day. And how- Do you guys- do you guys always say- you say slunch- you say slunch at any day of the year, right? Not just- not just- not just St. Patrick's Day, right? I mean, we said- like I still use a couple of- a couple of warriors for a couple of warriors for, you know, in day-to-day life. You know, people will as well when they come into the shop. You know, and you get a couple of people who will try to speak a few words of warriors to you. It's- I wouldn't say it's a doing language. It's a very, very small and our people speak it, which is a shame, you know. That all comes from, you know, the- the British invasion, all that kind of stuff, like, uh, 120, 150 years ago. And, um, kid- enough to languages and- and the culture, now we're trying to, anyway. But, um, I think it's a shame it's not spoken more. You know what myself, personally, I- I don't have to speak- maybe able to speak more, but- but, um, there is some areas that we- we serve my- we serve my wife and my family, but over to him. I know you're enough of the- the coast of Kark, which is not a very, very end of them, and I'm just saved west of Ireland. And, 45 minutes out of the ferry, 10 on- of the end of Ireland, just like- and I don't even call K clear. And that's what they call them, and I know you're speaking with the area. So, everyone on the island spoke Irish, and obviously speaking, which is well about, I mean, most people- I- Irish meaning Gaelic, right? Yeah, Irish language. Yeah. So, I mean, it was low-age of- to be able to- to, you know, to give your- your couple of words in Irish, and they're speaking about- she was like, yeah, this is- this- this is the way it was, you know, 200 years ago here. Everyone spoke this- but I mean, like, we have our- our It's almost like an Irish version of English, because I mean, I go over England and I'm- you know, people are very- I'm starting my accent, and- colloquialisms that people don't understand. So, like, there is our own version of it, but yeah, the Irish language is a beautiful language, you know, when it duels in the world. Yeah, it is- it is one- it is one of the oldest spoken languages in- that's still- that's still alive today, which is- which is very- which is very, very cool. So, all right, do you have a- do you have a favorite- do you have a favorite toast or an Irish blessing that- that you- that you give- that you like to- that you like to drink to? No, no, it's always just launcher, you know, it's launcher, you know, I mean, pretty much it for me, and that kind of says it all, you know, so it's- and Slancho means to health, right, or to life. You're here, that's exactly, to your good head. So, Slancho to you, my friends. Slancho to you, sir. Good to- good to talk to you again. Absolutely. Just talking about the story lived in them- I want to tell you a little story. I was- I found the- the very first ever Irish ancient lifting stone. I think you might have seen that on the previous podcast, or them, and if you didn't, I'll tell you. I was researching Irish lifting stones because I went to Scotland under- like I'll tell you about humanists as well- we've lifted 14 to 16 stones over there, and I remember talking to you about going over there. Yeah, or them. And I was like, we're Celtic, and the Scots are Celtics, but there has to be a crossover somewhere. I mean, there has to be an ancient Irish lifting stones somewhere in Ireland. Surely, you know what I mean? We're the same- we're the same culture, you know? So, I got to research, and I heard about his guy called Limel Flatterty, who- who- who- who is from an island off of County Galway, which is on the west coast of Ireland, and a small island called Ingemore. And he was from Ingemore. He wrote a short story called The Stone, which is about a lifting stone that the fishermen used to use. It was a social status, so if you could lift the stone, you know, the men taught you were really strong, the women were trying to be more attractive. So, it was like- it was- it was a social status, and I said before the ancient times of men, this particular stone was being lifted on the island. So, you're- you're talking and probably the hundreds maybe, like a thousand years ago, that this stone has been lifted on Ingemore, and this guy wrote a story about it. So, it was like, is this mythology or is this true? So, I got to talking to some- I contacted some people on the island, and they were like, you know, that stone is actually said- that's- that's true, that stone exists, and you know where it is, no. So, I was trawling through old stuff and libraries and stuff, and I found someone said that it's on this particular path on this island. So, it was like, shit, I kind of caught an Indiana Jones here. You know, there's an actual Irish stone, no one has found in a hundred years has been forgotten about it. So, myself, my friend who would be doing a bit of training at the back, he's a campervan and said, boy, we're going to fuck off to Ingemore and see if we can find this. Agent Irish lived in stone. Because I have an idea where it might be on this path. So, we went over on this ferry and it was the fucking roughest day of the year. Gail 47 and the water, the winds, the boat. You get on, there's no cars on the island, you have a rental bike, half a hour bike through the wind, you know what I mean? Get the last big rain. And I find this big lump of grass. We saw you this small little plant, and the lump of ground up was pink, and all the rest of the stones everywhere were gray, and it's like, this is the fucking edge, this is it, this is the stone. So, I got a lift on us, just got my boat to ground with it. And I was like, I'm the first person to pick this up in a hundred years, and I found the ancient Irish lived in stone. I managed more, that no one has even talked about it. So, I put it up a blog about it, I said, I found it, and now people come from all over the world, people come from America, people come from all over Europe, Scotland, Iceland, don't want to come over now and lift because this is an actual ancient Irish lifting stone that was recorded in stories and tales. And I found it, I found it, he's definitely friend, Peter, found it. So, you're no part of the history because people are actually fooling me now and say, where is it? I'm giving them the map, you know, how the pain is exactly where it is. And they're like, you know, what tanks in a million for taking the time to find it. And they just forced and sure is more around. So, I'm going to be researching this now for the next 12 months, like, you know, and it's crazy. Like, you feel like an archaeologist, you know, you're a strained archaeologist as always. I mean, I got to give you kudos, man, because like, as you were telling that story as someone with Irish heritage, it made me be like, fuck, I want to go lift that. Like, I'm not even kidding. Like, that, like, that, like, I felt that stir in my soul where I was like, I was like, okay, he found, he found a stone that that maybe some, maybe, just maybe, but maybe some of my forebearers lifted, right? To prove that they were men, right? And like, there's, there's that part of me that's like, fuck, I want to go over there and I want to find that fucking stone. And I want, and I want to see, can I, can I pick, can I pick it up off the ground? Like my, whatever, great, great, great, great grandfather did. Great, great, great, great, great. How many grades it is, right? Like, there's, there's that, there's just something about that, that, like, it's just like that, the prime of the book. You know what I mean? And it's, it's part of the history of the land. You know what I mean? So before I buy a ticket, how much did it? Oh, I mean, I'm talking about 180 kilos here. The valid lift, and the, in the story it said, a valid lift was to break the grimble. So literally, you're talking just to get it off the ground. Yeah, the wind under that's a valid lift. If you can get it to your lap, the main torch, you were one of the strongest men who ever lived. And if you could chase this, you were condemned as a hero of the nation. Yeah, yeah, there wasn't many records of men who did, who did chase it, but there was a copper. So I'm working on my strengths to go over and see, can I lift this thing up the chest in the next maybe six to 12 months. I'm working really hard on lifting heavier stones. Just to say, like, you could be one of the guys who, if you'd done that, like 200 years ago, you were probably the king of the oil, you know what I mean? People will lift that thing. So that's awesome. It's, it's awesome. And like I said, the Scottish tour, Jordan's, you know, maybe we were, I've told you about the phoenix storm. Yeah. And then I've seen like the phoenix warriors and like we were brought up with stories of your head, you had to be able to lift it to your chest. And then you had to be able to, you had to be able to duck under a sword at, at full without breaking stride, right? Exactly. Exactly. And that was the phoenix test. Yeah, it wasn't that drunk when we talked last time. No, I was. I went over and I found the phoenix storm with them with Jamie who was my tour guide over in Scotland. And just lay hands on this thing because you're like, how many men have picked this thing up over the past 1000 years? You know what I mean? How many people have lifted this the chest? How many have tried them and you feel? And this is the last stone on the day. This is the the 11th stone I lifted on that day. On that day? That day I lifted 10 stones before that. You know, and they're all at least 100 kilos. So you were warmed up is what you're telling me? You're good more. I was warmed up. I was also back or tired. But the time I got to that was like 100 minutes I saw it because I'd seen it in videos, I'd seen it in pictures, I'd thought about it. This is the one I wanted to lift. And the minute I saw it, like I literally ran over to the hand and I was like, you just get a vibe of it. You run me like, this, this, how many people have put their hand on this? So I said, what's the best traditional lift I can do? We roll it out 10 feet away from the plant. He said, the length you're killed is 10 feet. So let's just let's pick that up, walk it to the plant so I did it. And it was just, it was one of these feelings like that was absolutely fantastic. You know, it was amazing. It was like warriors on this. It was years lifted this exact thing. You know, here this and it's great. It's there. Still there. You know what I mean? So I can't wait to go back and do it again, but it was just just to do it. It was a great feeling. And I was over there with two friends of mine and one of my friends was so impressed. He's not a stone he gave it a go. He couldn't break the ground. But he made me a, a female knife and a little old knife like made from a slade stone with a timber base and he put the date of the lift on us and he made it with beaten brass. And so he said, look, just, just to mark that, he said, that was just such an impressive thing to do. So it was awesome. It was kind of like, wait, why do you give me love? Oh, here's my wife's bottle in for me. Here's the female stone. Right. So you give me the Irish flag on it. So this is made and here, this is an old, which is old Irish Celtic writing. Okay. This is what they used to write on old stones. It's just lines. And this is Vienna in an old Celtic writing. And we have the date on the back of it. So yeah, pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. That is, that is fantastic. That is, that is amazing. I can't, I can't say anything like that. There's just something about that that makes me want to, makes me want to pick up a stone, right? It's just one of those things. There's, there's something about that thread that connects us to our history that that is so. Exactly what it is. And it's a tangible thread. It's something that it's there. It's not just in a book. It's actually there in front of it. So I mean, you can go and become a part of history. You know, I can say maybe like in 20, 20 or 20 years, I'm hoping to sit around to my kids and say, look, you know, you don't want that. And, you know, hopefully you might do it someday and stuff. And it's, it's something that you can pass on down. And nobody can ever take it away. It's on us. You know, so I'm trying to start that kind of thing that will here in Ireland. I have people coming over Jamie who took me around Scotland. He's coming over in two weeks time. They do the copper coal, the copper coal stones that I, I lifted over coal, but I gave them worth by giving them a name and a way. And now just because I've done that, just people coming from, from all over the world, come lift these to us. It's interesting to say, you know, what is worth, you know, how do you give something worth, you know, you give it worth by giving it a name and lifting it and putting it out social media and all those other people are interested in it. It's like, oh, yeah, that's a cool, look, I think. And now it's become something that people want to travel to lift, you know, so it's, it's a pretty cool thought process when you get into it, you know, have you, have you, have you done any, have you done any lifting with the, the Atlas stones with the strong man stones? Have you done any, because those are standardized, right? So they're a little bit, a little bit easier. Have you, have you tested yourself with any of the, with any of those stones? Would you believe it? I've just bought an out of stone mold, and I'm going to start making one this week. So, yeah, the out of the stones are the round stones, you know, that the knockout stones are more of a asymmetrical and just the, whatever, whatever shaped nature made them, that's what they are. But I mean, Jefferson would be interesting, because again, it's just a different challenge. So I bought a mold and like I work in a hardware place so I can just get all the cement and stuff and make it myself. So I'm looking forward to doing that in this week definitely. Nice. That's, yeah, that's, that's awesome. I've, I've, I've done some out, I've done some Atlas stones back when I was talking about with, uh, with, with some strong man lifting, but you'll, you'll appreciate this. I was, I was out on the hunting land that my, that my family owns here in, in Minnesota. And, and I saw, I saw a landmark stone that, that we have on the land, that when we go around the perimeter to clear trees and everything before hunting season, they were like, oh, yeah, at the, at the, the old petrified log you go left. And, you know, and it's like, oh, okay, cool. And I was driving, I was driving past it on the, on the, on the four wheeler, and I was like, I stopped and I was like, I wonder how heavy that fucking thing is. You're thinking about it, right? If you lifted that and it's, it's got a bit of history there and you waited and put a name on it. I guarantee you people are going wrong. I thought about you when I did, because I was like, I was like, David, David would appreciate this. It's just, it's just where it was like, well, why didn't, you know, like, why didn't you try and do that because it was there? And it's been there for God knows how long. Like, it's literally a petrified log. Like, how long does it take for a piece of wood to petrify into stone, right? Or to, to the consistency of stone? So I was like, so I was like, I try, you know, it's, I mean, it's a good, it's a good probably like, you know, meter long. So, so I was, I was trying to see like, how can I, how can I get my hands under it? How could I, how could I, you know, how can I even try and get, so I actually straddled it and, and, and like tried to see if I could get it. And I couldn't, I couldn't break down with it. But I was, I was moving it, but I couldn't, I couldn't get it, I couldn't get it off of the ground. Oh, you find, if you can move it, you can break the ground with it, but you just got to get the right balance point. That could be, that could be, but also what I lacked was mobility to get my ass down lower to where I could, to where I could, I mean, I could get down to it, but I couldn't, I couldn't get there with any strength. I couldn't express any strength that that deep. So I had to come up to a, to a tension point that I'm used to, which is like a dead about the height of a dead left right. You know, I couldn't, I couldn't express any strength that deep, which you have to at least take a photograph. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the next, yeah, the next time, yeah, next time I'm out there, I'll, I'll, I'll take a photo of it and we'll, we'll see, but then it was, it was just like, I was like, oh, damn, you did. It's a game, you know, it gave me a, gave me a while there that I was going to, and I have no idea how much it weighs, because I mean, I, I could barely move it. So I mean, it's heavy, it's, it's heavy as fuck, but it just made, it made me think of you because I was like, ah, that's been there for a long ass time. I love that. I love that. I love that. I mean, I love something like that with a bit of history, but that, that's, that's awesome. And the fact that it's been on your land that long, and I can say, it's a petrified truck on the board. Yeah, like, yeah, it's, that's the thing. Like it's, that doesn't happen over 10 to over 50 years, you know, it takes days, there was, there was, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I was, you know, for all I know, it's, it's attached, it's attached to the ground. You know, the ground is growing around it, but, you know, it's like, it's a tree trunk. Yeah, but, but it was, but it was like, I felt like I was moving it, it was, it was, and it was fun to try. Like that, that's, that's the thing. And I was like, ah, maybe I, maybe there's something to this stone lift, maybe I need to start thinking, maybe I need to start thinking about that. Maybe that's what I should have done while I, when I can't lift anything overhead, well, fuck, stone lifting here, you can get to your waist, you're doing well. So maybe that's what I need to be focusing on. It was just about to say it, Jim, man, it's, I tell you what, it's, it's some strength training because like, I was doing kettlebell sport for the first time probably in, in, in a little while, um, at the course teaching the workshop last weekend. And I keep in swinging 232s. Like, very, very fucking low. You know, obviously only for a few reps. I hope we can fight the 10 reps, but maybe because you just say the 32s felt light. Yeah, I mean, okay, you know, in 64 kilos, okay, you know, in 64 kilos, I moved and doubled that twice, three times a week. I know, I know, it's just that they never, they've never felt light. Just never had that experience. Obviously, what the cardio elements, you know, we want to bring it up by the reps. That's where they, that's where it catches me. But way boys, they don't feel heavy anymore. You know what I mean? So all you think that always have a bit of stone if the training would be a really cool, um, different way of doing a bit of strength training for, for care, that's more because like, again, you're in that kind of bent over position. It's almost like, like a swing, like the back of a swing position when you're when you're picking it up. So to have strength in that area makes a huge difference when you're, when you're clean and balanced, you know, well, since you've moved beyond your, your, uh, your wife's rock weight can, can, can, can I, can I have you ship me her rock and all, I'll fuck up my backyard tossing that tossing that, that stoner around for a little bit. Are your name in it first and then ship it over to America? We can, you don't want it there. It's just full of fucking mold and this, I mean, that's what's going to happen when I'm throwing it about my backyard. Anyway, so it'd be great. It'll be perfect. Just carve your name in it and we'll say, you know, we'll, we'll start shipping it about the United States and having people lift it. Oh, and that is great fun. I'm just loving it. I'm just having the best time ever, you know, and it's, I think it's great to be able to do it, I think it's still be able to get that mobility stuff in as well. It's just, it's so much fun. I'm having great training training, like, you know what I mean, because I don't know if any major specific goal is at the moment, I'm just really enjoying it. I was, I was just going to ask you like, so what's, so what's next? Like, what is, what are you striving, is there anything you're striving towards? Or is it really just like, no, I'm having fun and I'm, I'm doing, I'm doing whatever I enjoy. What are you working on? At the moment, it's again, it'll be a really work on the workshops. And, and I'm writing a new book, which I've actually written the book on them. And I just need to get a few photographs and put together on hip mobility and I tested it. The guys, and the last workshop, and I don't know workshop in, in another workshop in England, at six weeks, previous. And I tested those two workshops on the new book, hip strength mobility work, you know. You should call it, hips don't lie by David killing. So, I have to put a name and hip to a nice sounds good, you know, you know, it's just just get secure to sign off on it and maybe, maybe she can give you a few photos and you'll be, you'll sound like. But it went down really well. People really enjoyed it. They really got something out of it. And it's showed up pretty quickly where their deficiencies were. You know what I mean, what might need to work, you know. So, I almost called it like a walk-in instead of a walk-out. It says, you figure out pretty quickly what your internal external rotations like which reflection that ocean, whatever. What needs work? And people did it. Like what Jesus, I didn't know my left hip wasn't, you know, my internal rotation was terrible. I didn't know that, you know, but now I do, and now I know what I need to work on. So, it really went down well. So, the first thing is to get that finished in the next month and send that out into the eater and see what people think about it. It's almost like a second part to get a yoga book. And that's the first thing next in terms of training. It's going to Iceland and lift the Icelandic stones. I really want to lift the full striker, the the full strength stone, 150 kilos, the 100 big stones over Iceland. So, I'm training for that. And that's been a kind of a goal. That and the whosoever stone in Iceland will be too, what really we want to do. And I always wanted to visit the place. And it's a beautiful place. I'm big integral out of the nature as you can probably see in my post. I'm always at the beach. So, to go the sea, Iceland as an actual place will be phenomenal and to lift the stones will be the the icing on the cake. So, that's something I want to do at the end of the year. And kettlebells wise, I got a good friend of mine, Chris Gale, Chris gifted me a 48 kg gold kettlebell king compel. And I'm asked, I drove over to Britain at six weeks ago and he just gave me that as a thanks for having me over the years with mobility and other kind of stuff. He just gave me 48 kg so I'm really having fun playing with the 48 kg at the moment doing bent presses. I'm going to get a bent press on the left. I've got a bent press on the right with it. So, a bent press on the left. I've got a lot of little things that I have on my head that I want to do. But it's just been fun doing it. I've got not put any major pressure on myself. So, I've got a lot of little goals. I'm just going to keep enjoying it as much as I can because like I said before, I have done everything I want to do with the sports. I've got my master's sports and I've got my word titles and I've got my word record and I've got all that kind of stuff. So, now it's just seeing what my body can do, what it still can do, because I'll be 43 this year. So, it's pushing myself, expanding my comfort zone as much as I can until the obvious decline will happen in a couple of years. Join me, but I'm just really having fun getting as strong as more but as far as mature. What's your own goal? What are you thinking? Man, I mean, at this point, get healthy. That's the big thing for me is figure out what's going on with my shoulder. I'm probably going to need shoulder surgery is what I learned today. So, you know, getting that taken care of and then just get back, get back under, get back under the bells and you know, my plan has always been to try an agent to master a sport. So, I'm like, I'm just going to keep lifting until I'm until I'm old and I keep my numbers high enough that I can keep that I can keep lifting well. Honestly, like I was telling some of my friends the other day, like I'm to the point, I think I'm more of a coach than I am a lifter at this point just because I get so much more, I mean, part of it is I've never been a high super high level lifter. So, there's part of that is just the realization that I'm probably, I may or may not ever achieve master of sport but like seeing my athletes hit master of sport or CMS or you know, like that, that means so much to me seeing that. And then like I said, like introducing new people to the sport is so exciting to me. Like I love teaching people that, you know, like you were talking about the the transitioning people from hardstyle to kettlebell sport and having them be like, oh my god, this is awesome. Like I love those moments and like, you know, there's like my guy Joe who's down in Louisiana, we were on a we were on a team session the other day and he had his he'd been wearing his belt, he'd been wearing his belt higher than he than he needed to but he didn't he didn't know that it was kind of hard for me to tell but he he had just it is he adjusted his belt position down a little bit and then we were because I was coaching him up on his rack position and all of a sudden he like moved his belt down and then he was like, he was like, oh, holy shit, you know, and like, it was like, he was like, oh my god, I like, I can actually like relax in between reps. Yeah, I was like, like so those those aha moments those like those moments are so amazing. Like I love those so much that that like those are those to me are 100 PRs. Like those like having those moments with people where they realized, like, so I don't know, I've got I've got I've really got I've got to get my own goals in in in in perspective because I do need to keep striving for something but I just I love coaching so much that it's that's a goal in itself to me to be as good a coach as you can and obviously, you know, if you cared that much, you are a good coach, you know what I mean, just any guys out there were just you know for the full company, but if you cared out more to what people's achievements mean, they're looking to have you. Yeah, that's that's that's really what like that I love I love those moments so much and it makes me like and you know, to see to see people that are much younger and fitter, you know, healthier than me, like you know, it's great. It's great to it's great to be able to to see to see people that come into this sport with with no injuries and things like that and you can teach them about the the value of mobility and the value of relaxation and and all of those things and that that pieces that pieces is so is so huge for me that that it's you know, as so long as I can just keep lifting until they until they burn my body that's all honestly that's my that's my biggest goal it's not that I don't want to keep trying to push myself because I do still want to at some point, you know, I want to I guess my my big goal I think at this point is I want to be able to finish a 10 minute triathlon with the 24 kilobells. I want to I want to be able to do it like that because that that to me would be like, okay, if I can do three 10 minute sets in one day and and perform moderately well at least like I'll relative to my relative to my ability, right? Like so long as I can if I can finish a three 10 minute sets in one day with 24 kilobells, like I feel like that's a signal that I know my shit like that I'm good at that I'm good at all three lifts like I don't have to be great at any of them but like to be to be good at all of them and to be well rounded and and be able to and be able to perform with a moderately challenging load like it's not it's not the 32s and you know I can I can be the 32s on some stuff but you know it's not it's not my it's it's the cardio that gets me on the 32s so in the you know I've got a lot of mobility work to do still I got a lot of things to fix but some of those things will never be fixable yeah but she does the thing so it's to be it's to you know kind of just say just look this is what I need to do I mean and and say look so I'm waiting to be able to achieve that but I can achieve this and I mean and I try out on on 24s there's not a lot of people out there who could probably do that either you know what I mean there's because some people will just do long cycle and some people will just do do snatch and some people like you know not many people just do jerks so I mean to be able to do three is and will be an impressive feat in all honestly I don't know if you're not yourself so I think that'll be great to destroy for because then you can show people look I can't teach you on exploits it you know whatever you want you know but going back to your your your coaching talk there but again and that was it was great to hear that so passion and I'm training a few people myself for three three people and I don't train more than that just don't give them a bit of attention but I have a guy Jacob Hansen at the moment who's him he's in America he's well yeah yeah he had his first stage his first day of our competition set there at the out of this you know I saw you were there no I wasn't there I saw his post though I saw his post he tagged in his post and I saw I mean he's he's he's he's he's he's working really hard he's putting in the hard yards and he's getting a bit of a trauma he's not he's not working hard he's working smart he's he's doing least moment I can tell I can I had to work hard on him at the start I read it and like you know you're you're pouring weight in my energy we went to a lot of technique or a lot of video work back before he got us we got it very quickly in fairness to him and he just started just putting in some great numbers yeah you know so I'm I'm the like you were saying I was like a nervous I can break walking around I knew he was competing I wasn't even the day or I was just walking around work people asked me questions like fuck off and you know when you know I'm waiting on the text around you know what I mean so like you know it's great when you care that much but it's great to see guys who you you kind of go against on the path and they put the world you go at them and and they don't really well it's it's a great feeling yeah I used so I I had I had a similar I had a similar a similar a similar moment just just Jordan is is one of one of my athletes and she was she was going she was going for for 200 reps on the snatch with the 12 kilo and she she'll wait she'll he weighs you know a hundred pounds you know so she's she's she's in very very lightweight class so that's very analogous to like you know heavier people lifting a 32 like a man lifting a 32 kilo bell like it relative to her body weight it's a very heavy weight but she was she was going for two two hundred plus reps in in the snatch which you know breaking into the 200 club is always a big is a big deal right and and I'm I was I was at a I was at a a bar in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin that my dad's band happened to be playing it so it's him and one of the guy playing you know just playing playing acoustic stuff and and but I'm I'm sitting there at the bar and I'm watching her set on on my phone you know and I'm sitting there pounding beers and I'm watching and I'm watching and I'm watching her go and I'm like we had our plan and I knew she was ready and knew she was gonna hit like I knew she was ready to hit it and I I had a I thought she was gonna hit it but I'm sitting there and I'm watching her and you know we always start with the left hand because that's the week your hand and so she was she was a little off-paced with the left hand but and I'm getting I'm getting a little nervous you know just be but she but she made the full five minutes with their left hand so I knew we were in a good position but I was just like it's like okay we got to go we got to go we got to go like now we got it now we got to hit 21 22 RPMs right like you know because 200 is not easy at all even like that's no that's no joke like 200 seconds three seconds a rip for 10 minutes yeah it's no it's no joke but I'm like I'm sitting there and then like she got she then she started cranking on her right she made the switch and she started cranking and I was like I was like all right here we go here we go here we go she's she's doing it and people are probably one or the fuck's wrong because I'm like staring at my phone I'm like yes yes all right come on go you gotta go you gotta go you know like she got you know I you know she got you a point where I knew she was gonna hit it and I was like yeah and I stood up and I was like puffing my fists with every rep I was like come on come on come on you know and then she and then she hit it and even she like celebrated a little bit and I was like I was like fuck you know like people are like there's no game on the TV or anything people are just like staring at me because they're like what is wrong with this guy I'm just yelling at my phone you know it's great it's great when they hit a goal man it's just it's wonderful you know what I mean and you know these people are investing their their time and their trust in you know you you know I mean it's it is a good big responsibility there is you know so you know when they do that they're putting all their faith in your training you know what and when your training comes true you know for far damn it's it's just wonderful you know you feel great and it's always reflective to worry a little bit like you know like fuck I'm just delighted that they don't that you know for themselves you know and I'm delighted that what I might mad ideas work out for them you know what I mean and even even when they even when they don't hit the number that they want like honestly like even just like seeing somebody like dig deep and finish a set that that you're just like that you're like you're like they're you know like Audrey had it at my at my comp in October where I was like I thought she was gonna be done it seven minutes be just based on how the first five minutes when I was like there's no way she's finished and she fucking finished you know and you're just like you're so proud you're just like oh like you just there's just that like that's what I love is like you can't teach great you know some people have it and some people don't have it you know so I mean you can teach you can teach everything else you can't teach great our spirit you know some people have it I disagree I disagree I disagree sir I do I do yeah yeah I think that I think that is a misnomer I think um I think the mind is trainable just like anything else um it's it's it's it takes it takes concerted effort it takes it takes the same thing it takes everything with everything else it takes reps and it takes intelligent programming I think part of it is you need to push people to their edge without pushing them to their breaking point and you but you need to consistently expand you need to consistently expand their their understanding of what their capable love so that when they get to deep water they know that they can get through it um and I think if you do that consistently like I think that's one of the best things about kettlebell sport is that it consistently forces you to mentally go to deep water and the more that you go to deep water and don't quit the more you realize you don't need to quit and the more you start to believe yourself capable of and you can expand that you can expand now do people have a greater proclivity for suffering and some people have a greater ability to get through that deep water than other people at the start yeah absolutely and of course like everybody has natural mental tendencies but I think you can teach mental toughness I think you can teach I think you can expand that I really do I think you can I think you can turn people you know I think I think I think you can help people understand where their limits truly are and expand that capability over time I really do I think that's one of the best things about this point I mean I take that no no good point well made um it's just I have seen people who are incredibly good in the gym tend to fall on the platforms because whether it's nerves whether it's whatever you know but then I've seen people who like you see like you were saying should have stopped maybe a minute or two minutes ago who just keep vocal going because they just have this inner fire you know that's like I'm not going to stop you know what I'm not going to and I think it's the tempering of the steel you know and some people are a little more brittle than others but like I said I'm sure that we can teach people to get better like I said there is some people who just yeah there I mean I mean I told I told Audrey after that said you're harder than a fucking coffin nail I think because she's just she's just text she's just Texas tough like there and then and she has said like I would rather dive and put the bells down and that's that's honestly what it takes for something like it takes that kind of mindset there are some people that are just like no I'd rather I'd rather dive and I'd rather dive and put the bells down early like you know and I mean that there is many for me like that you know you know and the two are said being a major one but I mean yeah like I do believe for the mind goes the body will follow you know and some people are more you know they they have that in the more than others you know but like you can teach people to get better and definitely where the mind goes the body will follow 100% you know yeah yeah absolutely and that's but you can't you absolutely can train the mind and that I think that's the thing that we need I think I think that's the thing a lot of people need to need to believe and learn is that you can train the mind because changing that's really hard work changing your inner dialogue is really hard and we need to do that even when we're not under pressure but then when you're under pressure it's even harder like that's and that's where that's where you know I quote you often or it's like hey you're going through hell keep going just keep going it's the only way to get it's the only way to get out right you're going through hell you gotta you gotta keep going yeah yeah it's uh that's that's that's that's huge man that's that's huge so I uh I do I do quote you often I do my terrible David Cohen impression you know David says relax y'all David says relax David says relax that's the new creature come on out take it take it easy we're going for least more would not be small take it easy it's intentionally bad but uh yeah it's it's it's good man I appreciate it there's a lot to be said but you know I mean there's so many people out there who could just deal with just relaxing a bit more when they're lifting you know rather than just piecing it all the time just just relax learn to relax your quads learn to relax your traps really relax and you know I'm and I think because it that's why I don't know these long says the show people are not for the all over droids that you can once you get to breathing and your flow and your technique and you're all that right you can just keep lifting and once you find and once you find that relaxation you get that you get that facial expression where it's like oh do you realize it was like it felt so easy that it always felt like you were you were cheating you know what I mean lifting your fence so easy when I finally got to relax it both rack and overhead it was like this feels like I'm fucking cheating it's always this feels actually like it shouldn't be me you know it can be when I'm lifting because it's going over there or doing it I'm like I can't fucking just keep lifting you know it's like yeah now I don't know what that's like yeah that that's there's my goal right there you just gave me my goal to get to the point where it feels like I can I can relax in all positions that's my that's my new goal that that's it that's the focus secret sauce man that's the one that is that is that is that is the the Colonel's secret recipe is how can you how can you get to relaxation in overhead and in rack position that's and honestly like some people some people will get there someone all right I love it man I love it hey well I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap the episode because it's it's been it's been over an hour and I want to be respectful of your time as always but thank you very much for for coming on and I I I can't even tell you man like I love I love I love talking to you every every time we do it it always like my face hurts by the time we're done because I've been laughing and smiling and you know I just I always enjoy this conversation so much so I plan on I plan on keeping this tradition going for as many St. Patty's day as possible so I hope I hope you're game for that a hundred percent man Jordan it was great really now like I said I could talk to you all fucking very loud so it was a great chance him and like I said hopefully we'll be starts up later on the year we can we can get together that sounds based that sounds that sounds great man I love I love that I love that very much so slant your brother happy 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