Kim Fox, MSIC & former World Record holder (Part 2)

Welcome to the platform podcast where we talk to coaches athletes experts and real people to learn about their approaches to training nutrition mindset and much more I am your host Jordan Kunde-Wright founder and head coach of the Twin Cities kettlebell club And I'm on a mission to help others build sustainable healthy lifestyles Before we jump into the episode I want to remind you that registration is live for the second annual Twin Cities kettlebell open on October 22nd Hosted by our friends at the athlete lab in little Canada, Minnesota Just like we did last year will include an option for video submissions for participants who are unable to make the trip in person And you'll be eligible for all of the same prizes as our in-person competitors Just go to our website twin cities kettlebell club.com for details Now this week I welcome back Kim Fox for part two of our conversation So if you didn't hear the first part of the conversation you should probably go back and listen to last week's episode with Kim Fox She is a world record holder master sport international class a great coach. We nerd out on kettlebell sport and in this episode We start talking a little bit more about some of her interests outside of kettlebell sport How she got into art as well as discussing the abortion rights issue that Kansas just recently voted on and Kim's perspective on that I hope you will Take a listen to that with an open mind and be willing to hear a perspective that might differ from your own And you might be surprised at what Kim has to say on the topic So I hope you enjoy it It's a ton of fun. This was an amazing time. I really appreciate Kim coming on and it was a fantastic Just like I appreciate you listening to this podcast and of course if you appreciate the content Share it with a friend leave a five-star rating and review on apple or Spotify wherever you wherever you get this podcast and Please reach out to me if you have any questions. I'm at twin cities kettlebell club on Instagram as well as you Tube and at twin cities kettlebell club at gmail.com for my email Without further ado, let's step back on to the platform with kettlebell Kim Fox I want to I want to Call back a little bit to when you were talking about doing the heart rate training where you're setting a timer and you're working at a specific heart rate Zone and then you get to that heart rate and you put the bells down that is so I'm trying to find the right word that is so different than than what I had been coached by certain coaches I know I've worked with a number of different coaches and throughout my throughout my kettlebell journey But there are certain coaches that are like you never fucking put the bells down in training Right, and they that are like you're programming yourself to put the bells down in competition Right, if you if you set the bells down in training I don't agree with that philosophy any longer, but for a long time I bought into that like whole hog like you know Don't be a push you never set them down like die on the platform. Yeah, you know that you know that gun home mentality But I'm curious in your experience and and from your perspective as a coach too Like how do you thread that needle of like because you don't you don't want people to put the bells down when they get in deep Water on the platform, right? But there's also there's something to be said for building for building success There's something to be said for having a specific intention as to why you're putting the bells down and and What you're doing is not like those sets are easy, right? So you're not like building mental softness when you say like when I get to my You know my lactic threshold and I'm putting the bells down But how do you how do you balance that as a coach and and how do you what what's your what's been your experience there with with that? So I think first everybody should be Documenting their sets I am a I am a spreadsheet nerd. I really like I know my people can I knew you were my people So I have pretty much every workout I've ever done since I first started And when I moved from using a book Where I would just document my workouts down I'd have to frickin flip back like 40 pages trying figure out where I'd done this similar workout again To actually using spreadsheets and calculating my reps and my volume and Time and so that when I walk into a workout I can look at my numbers from the previous set and I could say okay Last time I did this set I did 215 reps. I did you know X-men are number of reps with the the 24 X number of reps with the 22 blah blah blah for this many sets So I can determine okay last time I made it four rounds with the 24 is that We'll say for jerk like 15 reps a minute this time I want to make it five and if I make it five rounds Then it's time for me to go up to 26 kilogram right so I have a goal in my head when I start to make it now I might not make it because you know you're only as good as you are on that day, right? So I have bad days where you know It just doesn't go well So then the next step is is that I always look for incremental improvement somewhere in the training So maybe I don't make it the four rounds maybe I only make it three which is worse than last time All right, so how can I make this set better all right? So that means that I was supposed to be going 15 reps per minute in this whole set I need to up my reps to 16. I failed on this so if I up it to 16 that will make me be 200 kilograms more than last time at the end of this workout and To try and find those little wins where no matter what I'm trying to take a step forward And trying to push your body slightly over the line each time without you know, you don't have to die Every time you work out, but you do need to make incremental jumps over your threshold, right? I just put my toe over and then I you know just keep put my toe over a little bit and and all those little steps over add up to a lot And so I think that's where it's really important for people to document what they're doing because like you're saying then you can really see the progression And you can be like, oh shit, I really thought that's that stuff, but if I really look at it, you know, I Did really good on that first this first four or five rounds where I survived five rounds with the 24 I've never done that. Yeah, after that I fucking tanked it Because obviously you would if you if you make at at maximum what for us would be like, you know, your maximal lift for a number of rounds after that you're going to tank. Yeah, so this the survivability and that one is in the first part And so trying to find those winds in every workout, but in order to do that, you have to have the data, right? Just like you said I don't do it as much anymore, but when I first started competing, I wore a heart rate monitor while I was competing because I wanted to go back and see my progression, my heart rate through the set and really find like where I was tanking And, you know, I I traveled to Scotland to compete Remember here it was, but on the way there I got stuck in Frankfurt Airport. It was like a whole in the runway and Aberdeen and we couldn't take off. And also there was a very large Festival happening in Frankfurt. So the airport could find us no rooms. And they're like, yeah, sorry, sucks to be you guys, but we can't get you guys rooms. You're just going to get to sleep in the airport. Here's a pillow. Nice, nothing says top level performance like sleeping on a borrowed pillow in Frankfurt Airport on your way. Yeah, so, you know, we were stuck in Frankfurt for like 24 hours and so we got to Scotland and basically I only had only like 24 hours like I got there in the next morning I was supposed to compete. And so I went into that competition and my heart rate was jacked. Not only was I basically in a totally different time zone. So I didn't have any time to convert over and I hadn't slept in 24 hours because right when we fell asleep in Frankfurt Airport, some lady came in to clean as she was like ramming all the chairs around in the cafeteria where we were sleeping. I'm like, lady, geez. So, but when, you know, being able to go back and look at my heart rate normally my heart rate would be, you know, in the 160s, till about the four or five minute timeframe. And then it would start to climb through the 170s. And on that one, I picked up the bells and I was in 170. Like, immediately. And that whole set, I was like wanting to die. I was like, I was like, I'm trying not to put the bells down, but I was like, I am literally dying right now. I was like, I can't make it. I'm just dying. And when I went back and looked at my heart rate, I was like, well, yeah, of course I was. Yeah, exactly. That's where like the data makes the subjective objective. You can actually observe it. You can see like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I came in. Yeah. I came in close to my threshold already. And of course I couldn't finish like there's, there's no, there's no two ways about it then. And then on those types of sets where you like completely bomb, you can be like, shit, well, I did pretty good considering my heart rate was in. I made a bold and minutes. I was like considering my heart rate was in 170. Now, was it my best set? Absolutely not. But considering that, that's where the mental fortitude finishing the time there. Like I'm honestly, if you told me you like that you couldn't make it beyond minute five or six, I'd have been like, yeah, that makes sense. Like, but the fact that you finished the 10 minutes, like that's Bravo. That's just grinding like that's that's just, yeah, that's some that's some mental toughness there. Like that's, that's awesome. You know, in this last competition, I went to is the first time I've had like my arm, I was, I was like, oh, it's like, this is going to be my best ever because I showed up and I. I had just competed not that long before because I had just gone to WKSF Worlds for national, I had gone to WKSF Worlds. Yes. And then right after that a month later was nationals. And so I was like, I'm just going to, I'm just going to show up. Like, I mean, I didn't, I'm just going to show up. And kind of when I got there, I was like, I'm just not feeling great. You know, I was like, but I'm just going to do whatever and I'm just trying to make my 120 reps and that'll be like a relatively not easy pace but it'll be decent. And if I do that, I'll be happy with that. And I started going. I was like, actually, this set feels pretty good. Okay, we're going, we're going. And then I was getting to the last 90 seconds. And I was basically on pace to hit around 124. And I just had like a bad jerk for my hand slightly rotated. It's supinated. It's supinated. So my hand rotated outwards. And I just And I'm trying to think in my head. Well, nobody can see me because I'm making all these hand movements here, but basically the bell rotated over top of my head. And so I couldn't, I just lost it. I couldn't keep it. And because of the angle of my hand, my elbow was to the outside. And so there was no way for me to get underneath it to catch it because my palm out, palm out bell towards forehead for those of you that that can't like visualize this in your head, like just think of your palm facing away from you while you're in overhead position and the bell being like directly over your ear, basically. And you're like, yeah, how do I get out from under this bell before it splits my eyebrow open. Which is funny because I was happy like I, when I went back and watched it, I had some really solid reps. I mean, I could tell by watching it that I was starting to get tired. But just that one little flinch change where I jerked it. And I just had to dump it. And they're like, we just thought you were done. And I was like, no, I completely lost it. Like I had to just like get out of the way and just let it fall to the ground. And I've never, that's the first time I ever lost a bell or, you know, lost overhead and competition. Yeah. So, you know, I'm, I feel like I'm getting to this, I'm going to be like age, but I'm getting this time while I'm competing that I really just kind of want to have fun. Yeah. And I think you've earned that. I feel like I could. So I think you've earned that, frankly. Well, I, I'm like just trying all these new things like I'm like, hey, well, what if I try and do this like just to keep it interesting because, I mean, I've been training for like 10 years and. I, I, I love training kettlebell. I really do like, I love what people love about running is what I love about kettlebell is that when I start doing it, I can just get into this. I'm just like mental state where I'm just like going and I don't have to think about anything. And you don't think about. Yeah, if you don't think about any of the stresses of life, you don't think about the shit you have to do at work. And when you get done, you're so tired and you're, there's so much technicality in the movements that you're doing that your brain cannot even process. And all these other outside issues you might have, right? So you have that whole hour, two hours after you get done training, where you just are in this state of you for you. Okay, it's not quite that intense, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I know I told you're like, you're giving me goosebumps. Like you're speaking my language. That is, that is the, I mean, you've articulated some of the things that like I love so much about the sport and also like you're touching about like you're touching on beating the log every time. And like I, we have a mantra, you know, with the twins, it is kind of a Clovis, you know, last ones your best one, I say that to people during our sessions all the time. And it's less, for our last set of the session, no matter what it is, or last set of the movement even like it can be a byathlon day, but I'll say it in jerk and in and in snatch when I'm like, whatever it is for our last prescribed set. Make it your best in some way, former fashion, doesn't it can be your best pace, it can be your best, it can be your best technique can be your most relaxed set can be your best breathing, whatever, make it your best in some form or fashion. And then I love the, like what you were saying about like beat the log every time, like find that incremental win, whether it's I did, I did one more rep, I did 200 more kilos, whatever, whatever that one little win is. Like so that you understand because this is the long game right like it's it's incremental progress added up over time that that really gets you those those little things add up to big wins over time, but you have to let time do its thing, but you have to beat the log every time you have to, you have to make some incremental improvement every time, whether it's technique or output or whatever right or even mindset, even just mindset, like it can be, you didn't even beat your you didn't even beat your numbers from the last session, but you were more relaxed or more focused or whatever, like I fucking love that so much like that is that is what brings me back to this to the sport, like every day, like that's what it is about play in the game, right, you got to figure out what the game is because that's really the fun part of it, it's like you coming into your like I want to do this because when you beat the game or you're winning the game or you know you find these little incremental wins, that's what makes it fun, right, because it's only you in there, when I go into the gym and I'm training, like I mean, I don't know, I don't know. Training, like I mean, I sometimes I have other people they're training with me, but what makes it fun is that in my head, I'm like, I fucking got that shit, like that's my right and together alone, we're all in this together alone. Yeah, and you've got to find those those little incremental wins and I know it's like that it's like that with any sport right. If you're playing baseball or softball or whatever, you're incrementally trying to get more hits that game, you're trying to make more plays, you know, and so having that data which I know so many people hate, I hate keeping the data. But that for me anyway, I always pull that thing up before I start my set, I want to know so I can be like all right, this is what I'm this is what I'm getting to today. And when I get that, I'm like, hell yeah, that's mine. Yeah, you know, that's yeah, that's your that's your that's your little like slap on the ass to yourself when you when you get that when you get that little when you're like, yeah, you walk out of the gym a little little, little, little cockier, you know, chest a little higher, right, like I love that I love that feeling. I want to ask you, I know we're getting close to time and I want to, you know, be respectful of your Sunday night, but I do, I do want to ask you about painting because one thing that I don't think I've ever heard you talk about on a podcast yet that I've listened to at least is you're you're you're a very good painter. Like I see the stuff that you see the stuff that you put out and you're actually you're having people commission you to do works and so how did you get into painting, where did that, where did that come from and like how long have you been painting like I just I just want to know more I want to know more about your artistic expression because everybody knows kettle, you know, the kettlebell Kim Fox lifter, you know, but I don't know how many people know about the artist side of you so I'm really curious about that. You know, that was such a weird thing. Well, when I was younger, I did draw quite a bit and I, I am very artistic and I like to do like creative stuff with my hands, like yes, I like my hands. Maybe car knew you could see my carny hands are very good at certain things. Jake knows good. I'm going to be like, did you just call my name? No, so I didn't know where so I don't know if anybody's ever watched my Facebook stuff or Instagram or whatever around Christmas time, I really fucking love to wrap presents like and I do like very fancy present. I just like the artistic part of it, like trying to like put together and like make it so crisp and nice looking, which is one thing that I struggle in painting is trying to be loose and relaxed, so I started painting. During COVID, so I had a bunch extra time and I really good for somebody that started a couple of years ago, I have to say it like I would have thought that you've been painting for years like. To my mom, I just started my second year painting, so when I first started, I was doing oil painting and how it started is we planned a girls and my basement. And we were going to just as kind of a joke, but also we were trying to do it as well, we were going to do a Bob Ross night and so like we were going to put a Bob Ross video up on my big screen. I had like table set up in my basement, I got us all mini eSoles, I got all the things that you would need to do painting and it went fucking terrible. It was a complete abortion. Are we allowed to say that? Yes, I don't know, it was a complete abortion, I'm allowed to say it, I don't know, like you're not don't bring that up, it's so terrible, I'm just like so sad about this anyway, so let's go back to painting. I we're going to call back to that because of the t-shirt, finished, finished, they were all terrible because I really had not done my research on how Bob I had watched a bunch of videos, but apparently I was fast forward through the beginning where he puts the so basically puts a thin white oil paint over top of his canvas before he starts. Yeah, I missed that part. So I was like, how does it flow so easily? So everybody's doing it or running out of paint. It's everybody's paintings. It's really good. Anyways, so from that I started oil painting and I really just was like watching Bob Ross and just like kind of trying to fall along and just kind of doing my thing and that evolved into acrylic painting. Which is nicer, just because oil paints take weeks or months to dry, depending on how thick they are. And I don't know, like, yeah, if you can't see my basement, I have an art show in October. Oh, apparently, yeah, that's not weird. Congratulations, that is that is awesome. So for this art show, I need like at least 30 pieces, but there's no set number. It just depends on how many it's going to fill my whatever 50 foot hallway that I have that I got to fill up. And so my basement is looking like I like, I'm an art hoarder, not good art, just like art, you know, I've got like all these painting blinding the walls in my face, not up all the walls, I'm just like, hey, dude, I'm doing something right. Yeah, I know you're sick. Gypsy upstairs, go see Jake. So yeah, so I during COVID, I started painting and I don't know, it just kind of turned into like this thing I didn't know that I really liked. I never painted before. I drew when I was younger, but not like crazy. Well, just I just like drawing. Yeah, and I don't think I'm that great at painting. They look all right. I mean, I've seen them. I think you said, I think you sell yourself short. Like they're really they're really good. Um, I am very impressed with the fact that this has only been I would not have known this was a two year hobby. Like I would have thought that this was just part of something that you've done for a long time, and that it just wasn't part of like public knowledge until you like Like decided you were going to put that out there and actually start selling art or whatever. Like I would not have known this is a two year hobby. Like I think you have an act for it. I think it's good. And like now you're emerging your emerging your world's a little bit. I saw you did a piece on the second phase of jerk in an acrylic. I'm so excited about this one. It was so exciting. I saw. I am. So I I'm not into abstract at all. Like when I do them, they just look like fucking blobs. I'm like, what is this. What's happening here? Anyway, so one night it couldn't sleep. And so I got up and I didn't abstract and I was like, oh, that's okay. And I put like a acrylic or acrylic molded weights. So there was like dumbbells and barbells and plates. And I kind of like position them within the piece as well. And there was a big. I guess. I was doing that. I was like, you know, be really cool to do like all the jerk phases or all the long fight cycle phases in a series of paintings that would be like a set or whatever. So I just did one the other day. And I really kind of like it. Now I'm like, think of like all kinds of other ways that I don't know. I love it. You're going to be you're going to be in global gyms all around the world. Like, what do you think? It's a Kim Fox, it's a Kim Fox abstract of squat. That is so awesome. I'm like, I'm in all seriousness. Like I do. I love I love the stuff that you're doing. Like I don't love everything that you do because nobody loves everything. But you know, I don't love everything that I do. Well, I'm sure like, I know, I know that feeling very well. Where it's like, oh, I only show like 10% of what I actually like put on canvas. But like I think I think you're, I think you're doing really, really, it's really cool. And it's awesome that you're. It's awesome that you're selling it. It's awesome that it's out there for public consumption and. I'm hope people buy them because they need to get out of my basement. Well, is there do you do you have a website? I'm like 40. So my website will be live after right before I do the show. This is the problem with painting as a hobby is like, what do you do with them when you're done with them? They just like sit around. I think I'm just looking at you. I just give you your idea. You sell them to global gyms. Every time I go to a hotel, I look at the artwork in there and I'm like, that's so shitty. I could do that. Yeah, I was kidding. But yes, I do that. I'm kidding. Kind of. Well, I'm like, how did this person get this gig? Did they know somebody is if the hotel's brother? Calling all kettlebell drinker. You honorable warriors and wielders of the steel. The time has come to raid. Join us and fight for honor. Glory and the spoils of battle. Sign up today for the Twin Cities kettlebell open on October 22nd in person in little Canada, Minnesota or by video submission from anywhere in the world. Come fight for your clan or for glory all your own to be told in your saga. Claim your spoils and may your name ring out forever in the hall of champions. Sign up today at Twin Cities kettlebell club dot com. When I was the most sad, I went through a period of depression many years ago. And it was, it was a time my life when I really wasn't, I didn't have any growth happening, you know, like I just wasn't progressing forward in one way or another. And not that I was doing anything bad or my job was going wrong. I just wasn't progressing. And I kind of took away from that, this feeling that to always try and have some kind of personal growth. Right, so whether that's you trying to learn a new language or get better at some kind of sport. But it to be not revolving around your job, something that you specifically choose to try and get better at and grow mentally and work at and develop. And I think that truly like most people that's like when they're the happiest is when they're in that period of growth and working towards something. And so I think that's really important for for all people like whatever it is, like to find something that you want to try and progress in. And that's when your mind's so active and engaged and you feel good about shit, whether even when it's challenging and you're sucking at it. Because like eventually you'll go from sucking to being okay to being decent to staying decent. But I mean like when your brain isn't that growth pattern, I think that some people really enjoy life. And so I think that's like really important part for people, like to find that one find things, not just one thing, but different things like. Right, you get I get good at kettlebell like well, okay, where else can I can I grow emotionally can I grow mentally spiritually, whatever. But I just think it's a really important part of personal happiness. I love that I completely agree with you and I think that is I think that is a great a great perspective. I love that so much. I don't want to end on it though because I do want to ask you about your I do want to ask you about my snatch your snatch t shirt that you just that you just. So, you know, I'm not I don't shy away from talking about things political on this podcast. I don't go out of my way to talk about things political on this podcast, but I'm not afraid to I'm not afraid to take a stand on things and I have to give you kudos. So, you posted you posted because of everything that's happening in America right now with the with the reversal of Roe v Wade and when the what I will call the attack on individual freedom and particularly women's rights, reproductive rights. There's a lot of things going on right now and Kim made a really clever and awesome shirt a shirt design where it's a it's a uterus with two with two lifting two catabels right and where the ovaries would be and it's, you know, gate gate. But it's my my. Give me the. That's my choice or there is a male version, which is your snatch your choice. Exactly. Somebody was like, I can't wear this. Yeah, exactly. I love that. And I'm like, I'm sorry. You're right. Yeah, that was that was wrong. That was Ross, that was Ross Bell, who's also been on the podcast. Yeah, it's it. Like, so I love that. I will say for me personally, I'm like an all black guy like I wear black shirts only. Yeah. I need to get a black. So I can do like a black. You just change the print to white and I'll I'll buy one, but I'm okay. I'll work on that because I jacked up. Yeah, I should have made it because I also am a I'm in black now. Yeah, I have pretty much only black shirts. Yeah. And so I had to buy a gray shirt, which will be one of my huge gray shirts. And then I will get I will get like pink and blue one like for my for my wife and my sister in law and like my sister in law is a nurse practitioner at Planned Parenthood. So like this is, you know, this is a close to close to her heart topic. And this is, you know, I fully support what you're doing. And I think it's important to speak out on it. This surprisingly, you know, I am not very political usually because I feel like most of the time it kind of like doesn't really affect most people. I just kind of this show now. Fake thing that's happening where they're trying to get you, I don't know. But when this happened, it really affected me like a lot like and I felt really bad. Not bad, but I it really kind of depressed me to the point that the when it first happened. And a lot of things happy. I we were going to bed. I told Jake I was like, you know, I'm really glad I didn't have a daughter that I have a son. Which really almost made me cry. Like I don't want another kid, but it made me so sad to think I'm about to cry now. It made me so sad to think that I would feel that way that that's because I my son will ever have to worry about that. You won't ever have to worry about his rights being taken. And most people just focus on the abortion side of it. But the lack to see the other side of it where you're taking away the government is taking away a personal right. Right, a personal choice, a decision to make about your own body and how you want to treat your body. And scary handmaidens tail. And to think that they're, you know, let's look at it this way, right. One, you're all the people that are like, I don't want government in my guns or I don't want government and whatever. It's the same thing except for this time it's in it's literally in your own body like your own personal body, right. It's not about an object or you wearing a mask. It's like literally about something that in your personal body. Okay, so let's say you have a brain tumor, right. You go to the doctor, right, as you should. And the doctor presents you with information, right. As they should, they should present you with all the information that you need to make an informed decision about your body. Okay, you go with the brain term and he's like, hey, man, I really suggest you take the brain tumor out. But if you decide to remove said brain tumor, you could have all these other problems paralysis, long term memory loss, you could die, the tumor could come back. Or you could leave the tumor in place. You definitely are going to die. I can tell you it might be three months, it might be a year or whatever. And then you decide what amount of personal risk you are willing to take to achieve your happiness line, right. To think that that won't be there. And on top of that, potentially, or for surely, doctor's hands could be tied to make a bad decision for you for fear that they will lose their license or be charged with a felony. That they will delay care for fear that they will lose their license in which case could cause you long term harm. Fox example, maybe you have, this isn't even like a crazy, this isn't even on the deep end. You get pregnant. Your prior pregnancy was a rough one. You had to stay in bed for the last three months of it, whatever. You've got two or three other kids because you've had other children. And you get pregnant again and you're already starting to have health issues. And the doctor's like, hey, your last one was really bad. This might not be a good idea, right. You've got other children. Yeah, you're high. Now, it would be up your high risk, right. It should be up to you to determine based on that doctor's input. The information they give you and how your personal opinion. What decision you make on whether to carry forward with the potential of losing your life. Or the potential, you know, and then also leaving your other children without mother. That that should, that's a very personal choice. And I think most people focus on like, there's these people that have had thousands of mis or not miscarriages thousands of abortions. And I'm like, you guys are talking about like the, the small percentage of people that are. You're talking about the small percentage of a tenth of a percent. And are probably some of the same people that are less responsible, right. But we have less responsible people owning guns. And that's okay. Right. Yeah, you're talking about the small. Before they take away your right to be able to have a drink, right? Like you can have, there's like, you know, like, there's plenty of non-responsal people that have had multiple DUIs. Right. That have killed people, multiple DUIs. So I think it equates down to like, you have to say, the right to our own bodies. And what happens in our bodies is the only real right that we have. And when you start taking away those personal freedoms, they slowly just start waiting away little by little. Well, now we're going to take this. Okay. Well, I can deal with that but not this. And then all of a sudden it's such like, okay, well, I can deal with that but not this. So they just keep working back and back and back and back. And while I am not really for. I think you should have your own personal choice. I'll just say it like that. Nobody's because there are so many great areas to everything. And I think that if you are truly against abortion and that you do not want it to happen no matter what. And that is how you raise your children. And that is how you choose to live. And that's fine. I don't hate you for that. That's your choice. But I don't want your morals, your morality, to make decisions about mine. Because you can't base laws off morality. Because everybody is different. And I, yeah. And I just asked that. I just want everybody to make their own decision about what's right for them. Right. And I feel like that, that is slowly washing away. And government will have a huge hand in our personal rights, which forever like, gosh, America was like, uh, freedom. We have. It's ironically coming from people who, who claim to be for small government. And yet, small government. And they want to take away the most fundamental right that there is. So your personal, your choice on your own body. If you don't own your own body, there is no such thing as property rights. There are like, if you don't own yourself, you own nothing. You can't own anything if you don't own yourself. I'm sorry. Like that just fundamentally gets rid of the principle of ownership. If you can't even own your own body, like it just, uh, yeah, it, it, it makes me angry. Do I think that there are irresponsible people that use it the wrong way? Yeah, for sure, for sure there are. But that doesn't equate to all the people that you would be taking the rights of way that do use a responsibility. I was, you know, um, for the longest time I've been wanting to get snipped because I don't want anymore kids. Like I, first of all, I didn't want kids to begin with. I hope my son never listens to this. Um, I never wanted children. I'm not really a kids person. And I mean, I love my son, but, uh, I did not want kids. And I don't want anymore kids. The one is fine. He's amazing. But that's good. I, I got my lot of my own personal wants and needs. And that's how it is, you know. Um, it kudos to all those people who want to have 20 children, but they can keep it to themselves. I, I don't want to do that. But, um, but, uh, It's a job you should definitely want. If you're going to like, if you're, it's, it's a hard job. Like you're, you're a parent. I'm a parent. Fox sure. Like, it is not something that anybody should be forced into. If you know that you're ill equipped to be a parent or that you don't want to be a parent. Like, it is not a job that, that should be forced upon anybody. Because it's, there are, like, I love my kids more than life itself. But there are days I, like, I'm like, I, I'm done with you. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to see you anymore. Like, I'm spent, like, you know, and that, like, that shouldn't be foisted upon anybody that doesn't want it. Because those days are hard enough for people that wanted it. To say it. Yeah. And, yeah. It's such a weird situation that we're in right now. And, um, you know, Kansas, you know, we're about to go. On August 2nd for where the first state that's voting on. Basically, Kansas has a constitutional right in their constitution. Um, that, that abortions are right. And so they, they like misconstrued or not misconstrued, but they like to make their verbiage very confusing. To make it seem like, oh, well, if you vote yes on this, it's just, it just means the government's not going to pay for abortions, right? That's all it is. And you're like, yeah, but it's the whole reason why they're taking out the constitution is so they can allow. These other laws into place that basically restrict all these different things on women. And you're like, I just see it as a huge step back in. And women's ability to move forward in their, their degrees and their degrees in their profession. And, I think there's not a whole lot of thought that's put in it towards women. Or that's thought about it in, in the aspect of women. That's what laws are made by men. Yeah, well, I mean, there's, there's women that that vote on this as well, but I, I think that they, they discount all the other nuances that go along with it. From, man, I, it's so scary to think that a doctor is going to be making a choice over how much risk I want to take with my life. Let's just take the abortion part out of it, right? If, if, if at conception, a baby is a baby, right? And the doctor must do everything in their power to save that life. Then they have to call on to question how far they should let someone's health who is degrading. Go before they terminate the life of the fetus. Yeah, no, you're really the balance of who's life is. Why is that not my decision? It's my life. Why, why, why is that not put in my hands to determine how much risk I am willing to take for that situation based on the information you've given me? And there will be plenty of women that say, nope, I'm going to go to the very end to ensure that I try and save this baby. But that should be their choice. Exactly. And I respect that if that's their choice, but it shouldn't be forced on anyone. You know, so my mom, I don't know if I should even say this. I'm sure my grandmother won't listen to this podcast. So, I don't want to feel weird. Anyway, so, but I think it's kind of important. So my mom's the, she's got four siblings, so there's five kids growing up and not that her parents were bad off, but they definitely weren't rich. You know, by any, my, her mom was a male carrier. I'm actually sure my grandfather did something with his hands. I don't know. Anyways, so they didn't make a whole lot of money. So she got pregnant with her six child. And the doctor that was there made the decision for her that she should have an abortion. And she suffered for like the rest of her life. So my grandmother's very religious. And because of that, she, even to this day, like she really struggles with the fact that she had to go through that abortion because somebody made a decision for her. Now, somebody would be like, oh, well, that's in a case for no, this is a case where I'm not saying for one or the other, but the person needs to make the choice. In the end, they're the ones that lives with it for the rest of their lives. They have to make internally that decision, but they feel like it's most right for them. And no matter what, they will, they will struggle over that with the rest of their lives. But in the end, I think in general, most people will make the right decision that is right for them. And in the long term, that will be positive. They're like, well, children are going to die. You're like, have you seen the number of children in the foster care system that have the complete worst lives? Not that not that allowing abortion will fix that. But I think the importance is allowing people to make the decision that is right for that. I could not agree more. It's ultimately come down to the ability to assess your own life and decide your rhythm and whether or not it works for you. I completely agree. So sorry, not to end it on a negative. I'll give you one. I'll give you one more. And this is this is, we'll go back to kettlebell. We'll get you, we'll get you back into the wheelhouse of positivity that we were touched up before. I'm sorry. I didn't want to know. No, no, I appreciate. I do. You don't even have to take it back to that. Like, I, I appreciate the thought to even bring it into it. And I think it's important for, for women to know that they're supported in the choice that they make because in so many things, like, you know, women know, women know that we're, we're not. Um, respected or appreciated in the grand scheme of society solely based upon if you want to look at like freaking rape cases. Like the only way rape cases get prosecuted is if you beat the fuck out of me, like, and they're like, oh yeah, for sure you're a tour. And they'll be people that are like, oh, there's so many people with false ones. And you're like, okay, come on. I'm almost like so few, but I don't know most rape victims don't even want to bring it forward because they're so like persecuted about what they, so, but if you look at like rape cases, almost hardly anything happens with them. And you're like, so for, it's just fucked up. It is. It definitely is. This is something we could rant about for hours. I'm sure you're not going to get so many comments on this one. I don't care. I, well, people, I don't, you don't want to follow me fine, fuck off. I don't care. You know, it's whatever. I'm like I said, not afraid to take a stand or stand up for what I believe in this is, this is something I think we need to talk about. And it's I think it's important. But I do still want to ask you a kettlebell. Okay. Because it's one that it's one that I asked to, to, to coaches and, and accomplished athletes because I think it's important because you're an OG at this, like you've been at this, you've been at this a long time and you've risen to the highest level possible in the sport. So the question and anybody that listens to the podcast knows what's coming. It's, it's, if you could go back to the start and give yourself one piece of advice when you, from when you started, what would you go back and tell kettlebell Kim Fox back in, you know, 2000, 2007. Right. Like what, what would you, what would you tell her to, you know, change your journey, improve your journey or maybe you wouldn't change anything. But what, what one piece of advice would you give yourself back then? I mean, I do wish I would have started sooner, but I don't know. You have to have like such a kettlebells such a, it's the hardest sport I've ever done, like mentally. And you got punched in the face for a while, like you signed up in the face, you think kettlebell sport is harder, so. Um, the, the, have to drive through, I mean, yeah, I guess probably starting sooner, but I think also to find a coach that fits you, right. Just because you have a world record coach does not mean that that is the perfect coach for you. So don't feel bad because in the end, honestly, it's just business. It's just business. So find a person that that fits you as a coach because you will have such a much more enjoyable journey and a positive outcome, if you find that person, don't suffer through and not that your coach is a bad coach, right. But maybe they're not the fit. It was, it was like that for me to when I first started like, until I found like the perfect fit, I was like, okay, like this person matches with the way I am, my intensity. And you've got to find that person to have that, that positive experience, why you're going through training. My husband just rolled a size at me. I think he's ready to hang out. That's cool. He probably heard some of your comments about. So hands and I was talking about giving you a hand job earlier. You just said the quiet part out of the end. I know, sorry. It's a good thing. This is not public television, like I said. But I do think that that is a very important part that I think a lot of people get stuck in having a coach that I think is a good coach and being afraid to leave that coach. When they're not, when they're not happy, I guess it's like a bad boyfriend. What is hard, you know, you never know. It's not you. It's not just say this just isn't working. Sometimes it's just not a great. It's not the best fit and you've got to find the person that fits you. And when you do like. The training experience is just so much better. You enjoy training more. You get. Yeah. So I think that's that's what I would tell people. I love it. Yeah, that's great. Well, Kim, go hang out with Jake. And thank you so much for taking the time. I really, I really truly appreciate it. This, this, honestly, this has been a blast. And I've laughed my face hurts from laughing, smiling. And we've, we've talked serious stuff. We've nerded out. We've talked all sorts of stuff. So I genuinely, genuinely appreciate it. 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